Impressions are in response to a Paki blog "Reality and Illusions" by a blogger Sakib Ahmad who resides in the safety and comfort of UK and accuses India and the West of fomenting terror in Pakistan - nay accuses India and the West for almost all the ills plaguing Pakistan. Since this blogger, like all his fellow Pakis do not tolerate criticism, I thought it best to publish my comments in my own blog. The comments are in response to the blog "Terrorising Pakistan - A conspiracy of silence" which was published on 14th July 2010.
"I tried to preach and sermonise in my earlier comment. I realised my folly because you are one of those sick and evil minded guys who believe that 9/11, 26/11 were staged managed. People like you are not even fit to be kept in lunatic asylums, but in Gitmo like camps. No - deserve to be shot.
July 17, 2010 10:11 AM "
Sakib Ahmad said...
There is a gentleman who wears the mask of "Pakistan's Nemesis" - he is consumed with burning hatred for all Pakistanis. The kind of comments he likes to spew out can be seen from the example above.
Everyone, irrespective of what opinions he/she holds, is welcome to comment at my blog provided the comments are based on facts and are well argued. Ignorance breeds blind prejudice which destroys all that is beautiful in human nature.
Al-Qur'an teaches us that all humanity is ONE community and we should all live in harmony and show tolerance towards each other. This blog only criticises governments and powerful vested interests or named individuals. The Pakistan government, its military and its secret agencies are just as heavily criticised as the machinations of the USA and Indian governments.
We must seek justice for the whole of mankind - the sentiment "my country right or wrong" is an evil slogan, which makes us follow the plots of deceitful politicians under the mistaken impression that we are being "patriotic".
To the masked "Pakistan's Nemesis": brother, 9/11 was staged but NOT 26/11 - remember the UK is very dissimilar to the USA. Please do try to learn the truth about 9/11 - there is abundant information on the internet and in book form. Just ask yourself one simple question: why did the Bush administration quickly destroy the evidence after the tragedy?
July 17, 2010 10:43 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakistanis will get back what they themselves preach. If Pak preaches hatered of the West and India, then people will like me will do the same. Pak school syllabus contains so much of hatred directed against India and other so-called infidels that it is impossible for any Paki to have any love or respect for an Indian or a Westerner.
As far as the Quranic teaching is concerned, please ask your Taliban/ Wahabbi/Salafi/Ahle Hadith friends for the intepretation. Today your religion is the most distorted, thanks to an Islamised Pak society subscribing to one or the other extreme forms of Islam mentioned above. Can you get your fellow countrymen to shun this distortion and get back to the path of righteousness? The answer is NO.
July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
There is an element of truth in what you say. I am one of those who think we need a nation-wide struggle against our priest class. You might like to read the following blog posts on the subject of Islam:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/06/islam-reality-beyond-time-and-space.html
By the way, in the comments above, "26/11" should have read "7/7" (I assume you are referring to the UK terrorist attack on 7 July 2005).
July 17, 2010 11:48 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
No. I was referring to 26/11 Mumbai which was perpetrated by LeT in which several Jews and nationals from Western countries were killed. Pak media extensively reported this to be a conspiracy hatched by Zionists and Indian intelligence. The uncovering of the plot that followed later is only too well known.
I am not against clerics or the priestly class as a whole. There are religious scholars (whose voices are rarely heard) who preach tolerance, peace, etc. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan is one such example. I am against only those who distort religion and use it to preach hatred and violence.
July 17, 2010 11:57 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Thanks for your comments on the Mumbai atrocity. You say, “The uncovering of the plot that followed later is only too well known”. Can you elaborate on that?
I understand that the evidence relating to the crime that the Indian government has presented to the Pakistani government consists of “dossiers” based on Ajmal Kassab’s confession under interrogation by the Indian police. Access to Ajmal Kassab has been denied to the Pakistani authorities. The Pakistani courts have declared the evidence inadmissible because of the possibility of having extracted the confession under torture. Can you tell me the nature of the evidence that the Indian police had presented in the Indian court that tried and sentenced Ajmal Kassab?
I would also like to know your take on the death of Inspector Hemant Karkare, the Anti-Terrorism Squad chief, who was killed on 26 November 2008. His widow, Kavita, has made some pretty serious allegations. Also, a former inspector general of police in Maharashtra, S M Mushrif, has written a book “Who killed Karkare? – The real face of terrorism in India”, which deals with the “conspiracy behind the murder of Hemant Karkare”. I have not read the book but I would like to know what you think of Mushrif’s revelations
I have just googled briefly and found the following links:
http://www.hardnewsmedia.com/2010/06/3562
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20091112200911120348328123eac926b/Karkare’s-bulletvest-disappears.html?pageno=4
http://spookterror.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-killed-hemant-karkare.html
This article makes reference to the massacre in Samjhota Express. Do you have any comments on this act of terrorism?
July 17, 2010 6:42 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
It is a sorry state of affairs. I am not sure whether Pak mind-set or Pak's biased media has to be blamed for this. If confessions were the only means to solve crimes, almost all terror-related crimes and terror suspects would well have been sentenced.
There have been technical evidence like GPS data, telephone and VoIP intercepts which have helped the investigators and the Court to arrive at the conclusion that Pak hand was directly behind the attack in Mumbai. Access to Kasab would probably have been denied considering the fact that Pakistani authorities denied that Kasab was a Pak citizen in the first place. It was your own Geo TV which uncovered Kasab's Pak connections. Secondly, have Pak authorities given access to India for interrogating Lakhvi, Zarar Shah and others? NO
@ Karkare's killing
Do you know Mushrif's background and antecedents Mr Sakib? Mushrif was charged with corruption and was to be arrested. Political bigwigs intervened to bail him out. He was given a honourable exit by making him resign. This frustrated individual had an axe to grind. And 26/11 presented him with the opportunity. Had he been arrested he would probably have been the highest ranking officer at that time to be charged with corruption. Merely because one loony decides to raise some doubts, is it evidence that Hindu terrorists (as some media reports in your home country has put it) could have located Karkare in the melee and killed him? This is his credibility. Because India happens to be a true democracy, jokers like Mushrif can get away with such rubbish.
Yes there has been corruption in the purchase of arms, bullet-proof vests, etc and Karkare's widow is right in making the allegations. But that does not in any way reduce Pak's role (read ISI) and culpability in this whole episode.
I may not claim to know everything about 26/11. But I certainly know the facts as it unfolded.
July 18, 2010 4:02 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
It seems you do not know that the Pakistan government had been putting pressure on the courts to convict Hafiz Saeed and others. In the past it would have worked and India would have got what it desired. Not any more – the Judiciary now is independent of the Executive. The evidence presented to Pakistani courts was rejected as not meeting the normal standards of acceptability.
I cannot comment on the evidence that was presented to the Indian court. All I can say is if the same evidence had been handed over to Pakistan then it was not considered credible by our courts.
It is true that the knee-jerk reaction of Pakistan’s government was to deny that Ajmal Kassab was a Pakistani. However, once inquiries had been made the government quickly changed its stance. You are not being honest when you suggest that the reason India has not given Pakistan access to Kassab is because Pakistan denies that Kassab is a Pakistani citizen. It is widely believed that the real reason is to do with the way a confession was extracted from Kassab, which incriminated other individuals and bodies. The Pakistani authorities need to interview Kassab before they can prepare a case to indict any of those individuals or bodies.
Do you see now why Hafiz Saeed, Lakhvi, etc must go free? India has to stop its empty propaganda and present solid evidence and witnesses. Without providing that evidence it is silly of Indians to expect to be given permission to interrogate free citizens of another state. No self-respecting court would allow that. As far as credible witnesses are concerned, India has only one, who is being held away from contact with independent investigators!
The Mumbai tragedy looks more and more like a John Le Carre novel. I do not know what the underlying truth is. I suspect India knows but it is not so much interested in the truth as blackening the name of Pakistan.
I am surprised by your comments on S M Mushrif – what sources have you based your accusations on? Mushrif is considered to have had a distinguished career. He and Karkare appear to have played important roles in exposing the Hindu terrorism. Karkare paid for this impertinence with his life. You can read about Mushrif here: http://whokilledkarkare.com/content/sm-mushrif-0
I note that you have conveniently glossed over the Samjhota Express atrocity. Why?
I gave you three links in my previous comments, the first of which deals at considerable length with Hindu terrorism and its “false flag” operations to place the blame on Muslims. Please rise above your prejudices and see the world as it really is. Yes, there is what you might describe as “Muslim terrorism”; equally, there is “Hindu terrorism”, which is just as hideous. Do you have the moral strength to acknowledge it?
July 19, 2010 10:47 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Firstly, I will deal extensively with the terrorist attack on Samjohta Express (which you refer to as atrocity) later. Strangely the Mumbai attacks (and conspiracy) seems to you and many Pakistanis as a John Le Carre novel. Though you are not in the know of many things, yet the insinuation is Pakistan has been wrongly targetted.
@SM Mushrif: It is not necessary or important as to what or who my sources are for levelling this accusation against Mushrif. When I make a statement, it is with some authority and not on the basis of information available on the internet and in public domain. I have had brief interactions with late Karkare and Kamte, both of whom were fine officers. This very stupid and figment of imagination theory that Karkare was killed by so-called Hindu terrorists can come from only idiots like Mushrif and Antulay (another insignificant corrupt politician)
You have given reasons for setting free the likes of Hafeez Saeed, while reiterating that access of Kasab has been denied. Conveniently, you have, like the Pak establishment chosen not to answer why India has not been given access to Pak terror suspects involved in Mumbai 26/11. Pak has been in a state of denial and will continue to do so under the present politico-military dispensation.
Please remember that the conspiracy for Mumbai was hatched in Pakistan, (notwithstanding Pak denial-Pak simply refuses to see reason) and executed in Mumbai. The evidence relating to the conspiracy will have to be collected in Pak either by Pak investigators or Indian investigators (both of which is impossible given Pakistan's intransigence. Pak also does not consider as evidence telecom intercepts and GPS data. WHAT DOES PAK WANT WHICH CAN BE CALLED AND RECOGNISED AS EVIDENCE? OR IT CONSIDERS ITS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST INDIA AND DENIALS AS EVIDENCE?
At the cost of repetition, courts in a democratic country do not convict a suspect merely on confessions. Pak used to be part of the Commonwealth with similar set of laws. Maybe today, whatever the military dictates may be the law. Apart from confessions, the prosecution must have corroborative evidence before the Court convicts an accused.
Having said that the world believes that the court process in Pakistan has been a sham. And the State's case was diluted on purpose to let LeT's amir off the hook. And none of us would be surprised if the others are also set free.
July 20, 2010 10:10 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Samjauhta Express bombing of 2007
At the outset, I don't think any sane person can compare the Samjauhta bombing with Mumbai 26/11. The latter was not only colossal in magnitude but was a game-changer which forever altered the course of Indo-Pak relations. Let me assure you that as a Jew living in India, I and other Indians will neither forgive nor forget what has been perpetrated by terrorists from Pakistan. And it is increasingly evident that Pak military establishment in general and the ISI in particular played the most important role in its planning, training of the fedayeens and execution. We don't give a damn if Pak denies its role. The world certainly believes the culpability of the Pak state.
Links given below deal with the subject matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Samjhauta_Express_bombings
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105986/India/sit-wants-to-wash-hands-off-samjhauta.html
Considering Pakistan's policy of protecting terrorist groups of various hues, why should India make any sincere efforts to nail the culprits involved in this terror act, especially if the trail leads to Hindus as has been alleged? And yet the government of the day has been working to put the criminals behind bars. In fact it is public knowledge that they are charged with terrorist crimes (unlike how Pak kept Hafeez (Let) as a guest under house arrest) and will be prosecuted.
As Pakistanis are prone to argue about root cause for Kashmir and all other issues, let me tell you that Samjauhta was probably the back lash for terror being exported by Pak to India. It is for this reason why Pak is being urged to reign in terrorists. But somehow good sense seems to elude Pakistan.
Lastly, Pak has been involved in terrorism in various parts of India including Kashmir for the last two decades. Why is it that all Pakistanis only raise questions about Samjauhta? The December 13 Parliament Attack was the handiwork of another saint from Pak called Masood Azhar (JeM), burning down of Charar-e-Sharief by Mast Gul, the attack on Akshardham Temple in Gujarat. The list is endless. Were these not atrocities? Or probably the ones who died in these incidents were not Pakistanis, so it does not really matter. Just another terror statistic!
If you an others like you have even some courage, moral or otherwise, voice your opinion before the two states reach a point of no return.
July 20, 2010 10:39 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
My Jewish brother,
Please, please, I ask you again to lift yourself above the visceral hatred you feel for Pakistan and Pakistanis.
You claim to have some inside knowledge about Inspector General M S Munsif, which gives you the right to clamp on the charge of corruption on a man who has had, according to the information available in the public domain, a distinguished career. So you have a divine right to act as both judge and jury, and condemn people according to your whims?! Why should we believe you, a man who hides behind a mask?
Re. the killers of Karkare. It is the Indians themselves who have cast doubt on the story that the inspector and his colleagues were cut down by Kassab and his accomplice – but you consider those people “idiots” and their assessment as “stupid and figment of imagination”. Whatever you say!
Re. Hafiz Saeed. Lakhvi, Kassab, etc. I have patiently explained what the position is but you appear not to understand. Let me have another go.
At the moment Pakistan’s judiciary is under relentless attack from the government, and it faces stiff resistance from the army and the secret agencies. You can read about these issues here:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/02/case-of-missing-persons.html
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/12/day-of-vampires.html
The judiciary has been under pressure from the discredited Pakistani government to produce a decision in accordance with the Indian and USA demands. Our judges have insisted on seeing credible evidence which would convict Saeed, Lakhvi, etc. Now these people may well be guilty but the manipulated evidence – presumably, “telecom intercepts and GPS data”, as you put it - that India has provided has been rejected.
So, stop blaming the Pakistani government and the ISI, both of which are ranged against the Pakistani judiciary. Just find credible evidence which will stand up in a neutral court of law.
Another point you do not grasp is that you cannot just point at a citizen of a country and demand the right to interrogate him. Try doing that with a USA citizen. You will receive short shrift and you will be asked for a reasonable level of proof that the person you are accusing of a crime may not be entirely innocent.
The case of Kassab is entirely different from that of Saeed and Lakhvi. Pakistan has not accused Kassab of any crime but India has. According to India’s claim, Kassab has implicated other Pakistanis such as Saeed and Lakhvi. Therefore, it is entirely appropriate that Pakistan’s judiciary should want to see Kassab as a witness. If India refuses to comply then the obvious conclusion is that it has something to hide. Please understand that no respectable court in the world would convict Saeed, Lakhvi, etc on the basis of a piece of paper which is purported to represent a confession extracted from the accused. The court will want to see the WITNESS, not a piece of paper. (Under Islamic law as it exists in Pakistan, four male witnesses must testify in order to prove that a woman was raped. The concept of documentary evidence is probably alien to all Pakis). Added later by the author
Your grudging acceptance of the Samjhota Express massacre being the work of Hindu terrorists is welcome. That is better than the abominable positions adopted by the hypocritical governments of the USA and India. You have provided links to websites which are quite mild. Other websites, including those I suggested, would condemn the Hindu terrorism more bluntly.
Do not forget that Samjhota Express was not an isolated incident – the Gujrat massacres were much worse. Unlike Pakistan, where the Taliban are loudly condemned and pursued, the Hindu terrorism has influential friends in positions of power.
You mention Kashmir but gloss over the brutalities of the most inhuman kind committed by a huge army of 700,000. In the past there might have been some justification for the army presence in view of the assistance provided by Azad Kashmiris and Pakistanis from across the Line of Control, and the activities of outright terrorists. Now that the cross-border movements have completely dried up, why are Kashmiris being suppressed and oppressed by that obscene military presence?
July 20, 2010 5:37 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakistanis in particular and Muslims in general have an illusion that brutalities are perpetrated in Kashmir. This is typical propaganda stuff coming out of Pakistan and vested interests of Islamic countries. These very countries accuse Israel of massacre of Palestinians who are considered "very innocent". You probably follow only those media reports which suit you insofar as Kashmir is concerned. Please read reports of Pak violating cease-fire on virtually a daily basis and Indian forces engaging Islamic terrorists infiltrating from Pak on an equally regular basis. (http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/21/pakistan-violates-ceasefire-yet-again.htm)
In any case how many troops are stationed in Kashmir or in the North-East or on China border is India's internal affair and we do not wish to take any diktats from any quarter. Equally so, no Indian can question why a particular number of troops are deployed by Pakistan on its Western or Eastern borders.
What has been glossed over is it is Pak army which committed genocide on its own Bengali population in the '70s. So it is very easy to preach than practise. Even today, Pak military is out to wipe our Baluchi freedom fighters. (this is the counter to your accusation on Kashmir) Many leaders like Bugti were killed in cold blood. This slanging match will go on. The positions on Kashmir, terror are all hardened. Hence you see no progress can be made in improving Indo-Pak relations. It is a stalemate.
Comparing a bunch of hardcore Hindu fanatics (who can be counted on fingers) and Taliban is like comparing chalk and cheese. Taliban is the creation of Pakistan for its own interests in keeping jihad alive particularly to counter India and Indian interests in Afghanistan. Today experts talk about the "talibanisation" of Pak society which means from the man on the street to the high and mighty, there is unanimity in thinking that infidels have to be rooted out.
Why should India trust Pak and send Kasab to Pak as a witness or an accused? After all it is Pakistan which provided asylum to the hijackers as well as those released by India from its prison like JeM chief Masood Azhar during Indian Airlines aircraft hijack episode in 1999.
The reference to rejection of evidence only shows the seriousness of Pak intentions in addressing Indian concerns on terror. It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world. I doubt any evidence which will be taken cognisance of by courts of civilised nations will ever be accepted by the Pak courts. Nobody in India believes that Pak courts are independent when it comes to adjudicating terror-related offences, especially where India happens to be the victim. The public opinion in India is not to resume any dialogue with Pak as long as Pak continues to send terrorists into Kashmir.
July 21, 2010 8:03 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear me, we don't seem to be getting anywhere! Your knowledge is either extremely limited or the deep-seated hatred you have for Pakistan and Pakistanis makes it impossible for you to acknowledge the truth.
As one who lives in the West my sources of knowledge are mostly western.
Re. Kashmir. Please refer to the reports of Amnesty International.
I have never denied the murderous forays of terrorists which took place in the past from the Azad Kashmir area into Indian-held Kashmir. In fact, I used to speak up against the killings of innocent Hindu families. As you will have realised by now I am no supporter of the inhuman acts of Pakistan's army and the ISI. It is you who can't remove the blinkers from your eyes to enable you to see the atrocities of India's army and RAW.
Kashmir is disputed territory, the whole world acknowledges it and it is referred to as such in the countless UN resolutions. Since when did it become India's "internal matter"?
Re. Israel/Palestinians. What Hitler did to the Jews, Israeli leadership is doing to the Palestinians. You might like to refer to Noam Chomsky and Robert Fisk.
What the Pakistan army did in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) has been comprehensively debated in Pakistan and it is still talked about. Pakistanis have felt ashamed and offered unconditional apologies to our Bangladeshi brothers and sisters. Again, you have made a statement which reveals your ignorance, I am afraid.
To a very large extent the general unrest, killings and acts of terrorism in Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwa and parts of Punjab are the work of RAW and CIA. Just ask yourself why India needs to have a heavy presence in Afghanistan, and think through the implications. I have covered this aspect fairly comprehensively in this blog post.
It is disingenuous of you to talk about 'a bunch of Hindu fanatics'. You can count them in millions and they have protection in high places. Know anything about the background of people like Bal Thakeray?
As my article explains, the TTP was the creation of CIA and the Americans protected Baitullah Mehsood for a long time. He was eliminated when the ISI exposed the web of intrigue involving TTP, CIA and RAW.
Your last two paragraphs show that my repeated attempts to explain to you the current political and judicial circumstances in Pakistan have had no effect whatsoever. If you would rather wallow in your ignorance, so be it. If the Indian public opinion is as you describe, then that is simply a reflection of the false propaganda against Pakistan and the poor quality of information available in India.
Your last paragraph is based on an outright lie: "It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world". It is the policy neither of the current government nor of Pakistan's army under General Kayani. It seems an impossible task to have a sensible discussion with a man as prejudiced as you are.
July 21, 2010 10:17 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What you allege wildly as my ignorance is typical Pakistani mind-set and the Illusion (which incidentally happens to be part of the title of your blog) under which millions of Muslims live in. The reality as the world sees it is not acknowledged by Muslims the world over. Your accusation of prejudice again reveals the denial mode in which Pakistan is. Jihadi terrorism is an instrument of Pakistan's state policy. It will continue to be so as long as your society remains talibanised and the military is not sent to the barracks and does not confine itself to the role of being sentinels of the nation.
July 23, 2010 7:18 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Murderous forays of terrorists Comment: Thanx a lot. But this is not a thing of the past. It has been going on since 1989. There is no use merely admitting to this factKashmir is disputed territory Comment: The Indian stand has always been that Kashmir has been an integral part of India and will continue to do so. If Pakis are under any illusion that borders of Kashmir are going to be re-drawn, they can forget about it. Kashmir has elected representatives, there is a rule of law in place and democratic institutions have taken roots. (Pak may say that elections are rigged and that only separatists are the voice of the people-a story nobody in the world is going to buy) Your Pak Army has done enough violations on regular basis across LOC, they have done it on a large scale unsuccessfully in the form of Kargil and the international community recognised India's right of self defence. (So this internal matter and disputed theory can well be debated in Pak and other OIC countries).
July 23, 2010 7:22 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Why India needs to have a heavy presence in Afghanistan, and think through the implications. Comment: Who gives this impression about large Indian presence in Afghanistan? Obviously the ISI. In any case, if Afghanistan is an independent and sovereign country, who the hell is Pak to raise objections? the answer is simple - Pak wants its own proxy, the Taliban which was ousted by US-led forces to seize control of the country. Why don’t you accuse RAW of fomenting unrest throughout Pakistan? Pakistan started the fire of terrorism to be-stabilize India. Now the same fire is threatening to engulf Pak itself. That is the reason why experts state that Pak is facing an existential threat. If, after being in West, you have not appreciated this aspect, then it is your knowledge that is limited or you have chosen of your own volition to be ignorant.
It is disingenuous of you to talk about 'a bunch of Hindu fanatics'. Know anything about the background of people like Bal Thakeray? Comment: If millions of Hindus and the entire Jewish nation are fanatical, then less said the better about the followers of Islam. Please remember in the 60s and 70s, Bal Thakarey had nothing against the Muslims. There are a number of Muslims who are members of his party. He is a reactionary force in Indian politics. So much for your knowledge.
As my article explains, the TTP was the creation of CIA and the Americans protected Baitullah Mehsood for a long time. He was eliminated when the ISI exposed the web of intrigue involving TTP, CIA and RAW. Comment: Do please write something like Imp. Note: “History according to Pakistan”. If RAW was so effective, the terrorists who perpetrated Kandahar, 26/11 and the myriad terror attacks would have been dead. Of course, the Pak version is that entire 26/11 was orchestrated to kill Karkare. Those who subscribe to this view certainly need psychiatric assistance.
July 23, 2010 7:23 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
If the Indian public opinion is as you describe, then that is simply a reflection of the false propaganda against Pakistan and the poor quality of information available in India. Firstly, India is not under military dictatorship nor is it being ruled by the military through proxies or puppets as it happens in Pakistan. Our media is not under any restraint or censorship. You may be under this illusion that Indians, Americans and the Westerners may be ignorant fools and don’t quite see the Pak version of history which is nothing but ISI propaganda. Your military is fully talibanised and carries out selective operations against groups which act against Pak interests. Why does not Pak take action against Dawood Ibrahim (his presence is even denied in Pakistan), Masood Azhar (JeM), the man who was released as part of swap in Kandahar? Why does Pak refer to Haqqani network who with active ISI support carried out the bombings of the Indian Embassy at Kabul in 2008? You have no answers and accuse me of being ignorant and prejudiced? This is nothing but bull shit.
Your last paragraph is based on an outright lie: "It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world". It is the policy neither of the current government nor of Pakistan's army under General Kayani. It seems an impossible task to have a sensible discussion with a man as prejudiced as you are. Comment: Plain Paki denial.
Tailpiece: Gen Kayani gets extension. Should have read, that he extended his tenure. Isn't it?
July 23, 2010 7:24 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Sakib Ahmad bhai,
Please don't give us the Zaid Hamid talk. The whole world knows that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani from Faridkot, representing LeT.
Why do we(Pak Fauj and defence establishment) need a strategic depth in Afghanistan????
July 24, 2010 1:16 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
You are right, this particular gentleman is only interested in political point scoring and poking fun at Pakistan. He calls us Pakistanis “Pakis”, which is used as an abusive term in the West. Such hate-filled individuals exist everywhere – India does not have a monopoly of them.
While we Pakistanis criticise prominent individuals occupying influential positions, as well as our institutions and their policies – government, army, secret agencies, etc - such openness seems to be alien to Indians. The Indians may criticise certain individuals but it is rare for them to own up to any wickedness in their official policies.
Since 9/11, history as we have always understood it, is dead. The USA’s new game is to hide reality under a cloak of illusion through a series of “false flag” operations, that is, carrying out atrocities and blaming them on people who have nothing to do with them. In this evil endeavour the USA appears to have found willing partners in the shape of India and Israel.
I may respond to this Indian’s diatribe in a separate post.
July 25, 2010 1:41 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
@MoinSaddiq
I am afraid your attempt to put on a 'Muslim' mask has sadly failed. No Muslim would ever have a name like "Saddiq". Sorry, mate, better luck next time!
I assume you are a Hindu this time - the Jews appear to be cleverer.
You should know that we are NOT discussing the identity of Kassab but his presence as a WITNESS in the Pakistani court that has been trying Saeed, Lakhvi, etc. If India really believes that those it has accused were behind the Mumbai massacre, then it MUST produce Kassab as a witness because he is the one who has allegedly implicated Saeed, Lakhvi, etc.
July 25, 2010 1:56 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The blogger needs to preach to fellow Pakis about openness and wickedness of the Pak military establishment. India is neither theocratic nor ruled by a military dictator by proxy. Its democratic institutions are sound and there is an informed public opinion. The impression which is sought to be given through these blogs is that Pak is filled with saints and Satan India is haunting them. (it is the other way round, in fact). Frankly, there needs to be some limit to even insanity and distortion. Whoever, Moin Sadiq is, he is right and needs to be commended for his frank views. And as expected, the blogger has questioned his Islamic credentials, being bothered more about the faith rather than the openness of his comments.
Please have alook at the recent reports of Pak involvedment in the bombing of the Indian embassy at Kabul. http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/26/leak-blows-lid-off-isi-role-in-kabul-embassy-attack.htm This is the reality and your projection of Pak is the illusion, Mr. Blogger. And talking about hatred. If 10 Indians would have walked into Karachi and spread mayhem like your breathren did in Mumbai on 26/11, just would like to know what reaction could India have expected from Pak?
Want to read some more on Paki saints, the Pak Taliban?http://news.rediff.com/special/2010/jul/26/three-thousand-terrorists-for-india-battle-pak-taliban.htm
Of course, all these reports would be dubbed by this blogger as Indian propaganda to defame poor Pak. Ain't it, Mr. Blogger?
July 26, 2010 7:39 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Check out ISI's nefarious activities on this blog
http://isi-intersevicesintelligence.blogspot.com/
July 27, 2010 3:39 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Saddiq is a Muslim name, an AJK Pakistani Muslim name.
The moment someone mocks Zaid Hamid, he becomes an Indian
http://www.facebook.com/Saddiqraffali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Saddiq_Al-Raddi
http://saddiq109.blogspot.com/
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=mohammed_odeh_1
Answer this...Mr. Sakib Ahmed.
Mirpur, AJK
July 27, 2010 3:49 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
There are two widely used Muslim names, 'Sadiq' or 'Siddique'. I hadn't come across the spelling that you use for your name. Sorry.
I know very little about Mr Zaid Hamid. From what little I know, he seems to me to be a pretty crazy sort of person. As I say, I do not know enough about him to say anything more and I do not think he is important enough for me to spend time googling over him.
As far as ISI is concerned I think it needs to be cleaned up. At the moment it is a hideous image of CIA/Mossad/RAW and I do feel ashamed of some of its activities. You will find a critical blog post here:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/02/case-of-missing-persons.html
If you are really from Azad Kashmir then do you not realise that you are doing your cause a great disservice by concentrating your criticism on ISI while letting the devilish CIA/Mossad/RAW escape your wrath? If you are ignorant of the history of these bodies, I suggest you spend a little of your valuable time researching their histories.
July 27, 2010 11:03 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Moin, just ignore that retort. No Paki likes condemnation of ISI. And the history that the blogger is referring to, is history according to Pakistan and its instrumentality, the ISI.
The blogger after all is human having not come across the name Sadiqq. After all he is ignorant about somethings.
The blogger can spend the rest of his life reading the expose on Pak by Wikileaks. The ISI's game is now known to the whole world. The blogger who believes anything that is available in public domain, will hopefuly be convinced about ISI's complicity in terrorism.
July 28, 2010 7:28 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
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July 29, 2010 8:28 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Despite repeated warnings our visitor from across the border does not desist from using abusive words. My Jewish friend, you are welcome to present your point of view but do so in a civil manner: argue your case and provide supporting evidence but, please, NO ABUSE.
I have deleted your last post as a warning. I want this space to remain free for people to express their views. DO NOT FORCE ME TO INTRODUCE A POLICY OF MODERATING COMMENTS.
July 31, 2010 10:40 PM
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