An anti-India and pro-Pakistani blogger, Chinaar has posted a blog suggesting that Kashmir on getting independence will have no option but to join Pakistan. The so-called human rights activists who espouse the cause of an independent Kashmir (if at all) must read this post. One needs to look closely at the mindset of these extremists and the rationale for joining Pakistan. The Government of India must up their surveillance of the web and black out blogs like abode of the saints.
After Independence, Pakistan is the only other option for Kashmiris.
http://abodeofthesaints.blogspot.com/2010/11/after-independence-pakistan-is-only.html
I know what you guys are thinking but take a breather and listen to me
1) Have the Kashmiri Hindu Pandits let go of their RSS/BJP/Bajrangdal/VHP Nazi credentials and started supporting their Muslim brethren for an independent secular Kashmir?
2) Do the Hindu Dogras of Jammu see anything beyond Hindutva fascism and the possibility of coexisting in a secular independent nation?
3) Do the Ladakhi Buddhists see anything beyond their contempt for China and therefore toeing the Indian line because their religious head is in Dharamsala.
4) Why should only the Muslims of Kashmir be secular and not affiliate ourselves with the Pakistanis on the basis of religion and common cultural ties?
5) Why don't the Hindu Dogras, the Kashmiri Hindu Pandits or the Buddhist Ladakhis support a secular independent Kashmir just like 99% of Muslim Kashmiris do irrespective of our religious identity?
6) If the Hindus and the Buddhists cannot see beyond the prism of their religion, Why should we???
7)As Kashmiris will we ever forgive Hindustan for killing more than 120,000 of our brethren?
8)Aren't all Indians like the politically correct Ostriches with heads stuck in the sand for perpetual eternity?
9)I am of the strong belief that Pakistan would have no problems in us Kashmiris being independent provided their interests like water resources are safe guarded.
I have asked these questions to a lot of my Kashmiri Hindu friends and Indian Hindus but till date have never received a satisfactory reply from them cause they are so blinded by their ultra nationalism/ Hindutva fascism.
Comments:
bashir said...
good observation chinar, recently Musharaff talked about someone named Kathjoo who was instrumental in stalling the Agra Summit. Now, we all know that Kathjoo is a Kashmiri Batta Surname.
December 6, 2010 12:56 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Kashmir and its inhabitants were quite peaceful and happy till 1989. In 1989, a bastard called Zia started injecting the poison of jihadi mindset within Paki military and Paki society with a view to wage jihad (a bull shit reference to violence). One of the products of that poison is this blogger. Before making comparison to Nazi, bastards like you should look at the history of your religion and its spread by violence. It is the Salafi-Wahabi mindset that is the root cause of problems in Kashmir, nay, the whole world. Not a day goes without some breathren plots a bomb blast either in South Asia, Europe or the Americas. Look at the fanatical history of your ancestors and breathren before pointing fingers at others.
As far as joining Pakistan, you can forget it at least in your life-time.
December 31, 2010 1:18 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Why should only the Muslims of Kashmir be secular and not affiliate ourselves with the Pakistanis on the basis of religion and common cultural ties?
Pakistan's Nemesis' comment-Muslims of Kashmir or anywhere else do not have the term "secularism" in their dictionary. Interestingly this idiot equates Hindu with fascism. It is his religion which is equated the world over with terrorism and violence.
This idiot does not either read newspapers or watch television. Or else he would not espouse Kashmir joining Pakistan.
Friday, December 31, 2010
Monday, October 25, 2010
Comments on Indians Welcome In Pakistan, Pakistanis Beaten And Killed In India
Ahmad Quraishi (a.k.a. AQ, nitwit, etc) has written an exaggerated account of how Pakistani contestants in the reality show Big Boss have been harassed. He goes on to talk about legendary Pak hospitality (should read hostility) being extended to Indians and other foreigners. He forgets that no sane human being may even like to set foot on Pak soil. His blog post http://aq-lounge.blogspot.com/2010/10/indians-are-welcome-in-pakistan.html is the typical bullshit he dishes out regularly to Paki readers. AQ is an intolerant Paki like his fellow countrymen; hence will not tolerate dissent and criticism. So comments by this author are regularly deleted by him and other Paki bloggers.
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Can this blog even look beyond Samjautha Express? On a daily basis, Pak breeds terrorists to be sent into India for carrying out strikes. Thousands have been killed by Pak-sponsored terrorists in India since 1989. Even post-Mumbai 26/11, Pakis have been relentlessly involved in terror attacks. This nitwit does not bother about Paki terrorists threatening not only regional peace but international peace and security.How many Indian artistes have been travelling to Pakistan or have been invited to perform?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakeel_Siddiqui
Readers are being misled by this Paki blogger
The link below will show that Pak children have been taking part in Reality shows on Indian TV Channels. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/shows-for-indian-artists-in-pakistan-not-easy-rahat-khan_100396629.html
October 25, 2010 4:54 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Can this blog even look beyond Samjautha Express? On a daily basis, Pak breeds terrorists to be sent into India for carrying out strikes. Thousands have been killed by Pak-sponsored terrorists in India since 1989. Even post-Mumbai 26/11, Pakis have been relentlessly involved in terror attacks. This nitwit does not bother about Paki terrorists threatening not only regional peace but international peace and security.How many Indian artistes have been travelling to Pakistan or have been invited to perform?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakeel_Siddiqui
Readers are being misled by this Paki blogger
The link below will show that Pak children have been taking part in Reality shows on Indian TV Channels. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/south-asia/shows-for-indian-artists-in-pakistan-not-easy-rahat-khan_100396629.html
October 25, 2010 4:54 PM
Comments on Sorry, India, You Can't Be A Superpower With A Mouse Brain
http://aq-lounge.blogspot.com/2010/10/sorry-india-you-cant-be-superpower-with.html
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
At least India has a brain, even if it be that of a mouse. Do Pakis even have a brain? The answer is a big NO. The nitwit blogger must know that right since the time the bastard state of Pakistan was born, it has used weapons purchased from US against India. Not the other way round. The whole world knows of Paki intolerance. This propaganda of how free Paki society is insofar as permitting Indians to air their views on their media is laughable. Paki artistes (be it Ghulam Ali, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan) and contestants in reality shows are allowed in India. On the other hand no Indian artist is ever welcome. So much so that Hindi films are banned by Paki government in order to protect the local film industry.
India and Pak cannot co-exist peacefully. For that matter as long as Pak exists, the world will know no peace. So the problem lies with Pak, not with its neighbours.
October 25, 2010 11:58 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakis became a terrorist state with guns and bombs and indoctrinated by mullas in the name of Allah and Koran. India, on the other hand became a super power with a computer mouse.
October 25, 2010 12:09 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
At least India has a brain, even if it be that of a mouse. Do Pakis even have a brain? The answer is a big NO. The nitwit blogger must know that right since the time the bastard state of Pakistan was born, it has used weapons purchased from US against India. Not the other way round. The whole world knows of Paki intolerance. This propaganda of how free Paki society is insofar as permitting Indians to air their views on their media is laughable. Paki artistes (be it Ghulam Ali, Rahat Fateh Ali Khan) and contestants in reality shows are allowed in India. On the other hand no Indian artist is ever welcome. So much so that Hindi films are banned by Paki government in order to protect the local film industry.
India and Pak cannot co-exist peacefully. For that matter as long as Pak exists, the world will know no peace. So the problem lies with Pak, not with its neighbours.
October 25, 2010 11:58 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakis became a terrorist state with guns and bombs and indoctrinated by mullas in the name of Allah and Koran. India, on the other hand became a super power with a computer mouse.
October 25, 2010 12:09 PM
Saturday, October 16, 2010
Comments on We Kashmiris are not happy if anything good happens to India!!!!
This blogger who blogs under the name of Chinaar is another rabid Islamist based in Kashmir who deeply resents the Indian Armed Forces and Hindus. Like any other Islamist cyber terrorist, the words Indian and Hindu are an anathema. The name of the blog is surprisingly and strangely "Abode of the Saints - Confessions from the valley of saints". One wonders whether terrorist and saint are synonymous in the language used by the blogger. Be that as it may, this brain-washed Paki slave/agent has written and posted many blogs against India. One such blog is http://abodeofthesaints.blogspot.com/2010/09/we-kashmiris-are-not-happy-if-anything.html
Kashmiri said...
@ Chinar - Illegal Occupation??? Kashmir pandits houses and property??
Thts the questions tht come to my mind. Also wonder that u must be having a lot of Indian acquaintances?? bcos of which u have such strong opinions..... can u share sme incidences???
September 28, 2010 4:20 AM
Chinaar said...
@Kashmir,
Can't understand your question!!!!
September 28, 2010 6:41 AM
Kashmiri said...
@ Chinar
Firstly i need to clarify smethin
Just wanted to say that when u mention "Indians" are u talkin abt " A Common Indian" or the elite people in power.
Chinar - I have put up another message for u on another of ur blog also
September 28, 2010 11:25 PM
Chinaar said...
I mean elitist Indians and those who support their army in Kashmir. Common Indians like the Maoists/Naxals/Tribals etc are also suffering like us Kashmiris.
September 30, 2010 1:26 PM
utkarsh said...
no chinar
kashmiris are not so negative as u want to portrait them.
many kashmiris whom i have met do not have such negative and jealous mindset.
probably u are such kind of person.
October 7, 2010 10:13 AM
Chinaar said...
@utkarsh
Have u ever wondered that u Indians might actually have pushed us so much that we have started acting like this!!!
October 8, 2010 5:07 AM
Chinaar said...
@utkarsh, If you are truly democratic, u will then perhaps maybe hopefully understand the ultimate truth that "Overwhelming majority of Kashmiris are not Indians even if the Ladakhis or the dogras are".....
October 8, 2010 11:18 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The blog must be re-named as "abode of the terrorists from Pakistan". The blogger is the typical Muslim with the medieval mind-set. When they are in majority, their objective is to "cleanse" out the minority (in this case the Hindus) and when in minority harp on secularism and minority rights. These Muslims who want independence or intend to join Porkistan do not reflect the desire or aspiration of the entire state of J & K.
India has treated this lot with kid gloves. It is time to give them the boot treatment (i.e. kick them into Porkistan)
October 9, 2010 3:39 AM
bashir said...
@Nemesis
Your type of people is exactly the reason why we Kashmiris don't like Indians.
October 9, 2010 6:46 AM
Subbaiah Biddanda said...
Chinaar,
I have a strong feeling that Obama during his upcoming visit to India will push for India to take the initiative to resolve the Kashmir dispute keeping a permanent seat in the security council as a bargaining chip.
It is clear that if Kashmir is resolved Pakistan army can concentrate to get US job done vis versa Taliban. Also India being a billion plus people deserve a permanent seat but not if it has pending territorial disputes and continuing human rights acquisition's.
So this might work... hold a plebiscite in Kashmir and get a permanent seat in the UN Security council....
October 10, 2010 9:39 AM
Chinaar said...
@Biddanda
I agree, India will have to prove its honest track record vis a vis Kashmir before it sits at the security council to judge other peoples issues.
However, the fanatics in India(RSS,BJP,VHP,Shiv Sena etc) will not let that happen. I sincerely hope that better sense prevails.
October 11, 2010 5:04 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@Bashir
We reciprocate that hatred for Kashmiris who have been brain-washed by the Wahabi brand of Islam. So long as Sufiism existed, peace prevailed in Kashmir; with Salafi-Wahabi brand of Islam came jihad and violence. Violence begets violence. I stand by my earlier comments.
With all the hatred to the rabid Islamists in Kashmir, across and beyond
Pakistan's Nemesis
October 14, 2010 4:08 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Chinaar
It is fanatics like you who are primarily responsible for the so-called K issue. You terrorists carried out ethnic cleansing of Pandits because you were in a majority. I hope the day is not far when pigs like you are cleansed out along with your ilk. The Pakis, your masters on whose behalf you carry out terrorist acts will one day be effaced by its own self-destructive policies. Then we shall see, where buggers like you will be. Muslims are responsible for almost all the terrorist activities in the name of religion, world-wide. The problem lies with your religion, not with other faiths. You people have problem with Hindu whom you describe as fanatics, Jews as Zionists and so on. In fact fundamentalism and fanaticism is in-born trait of a Muslim and which manifests in the form of violence and jihad. Your community is not just an international migraine but a malignant cancer which needs to be rooted out. Therein lies the fundamental problem.
Clowns like you do not see any problem with the Chinese occupying part of J & K; with Pakis forcibly evicting ethnic Kashmiri Muslims from POK. But you have problems with Hindus. So you see why jokers like you are branded Pakis in the garb of a Kashmiri.
October 15, 2010 11:37 PM
Chinaar said...
@ Pakistans Nemesis
"You terrorists carried out ethnic cleansing of Pandits because you were in a majority. I hope the day is not far when pigs like you are cleansed out along with your ilk".
All the problems lie with us n yes we are pigs.....Keep up with your cleansing act and continue your blame game. No wonder with people like you around Kashmir issue has not been solved for 63 years!!!!!
October 16, 2010 6:06 AM
Chinaar said...
@PAK Nemesis
"Clowns like you do not see any problem with the Chinese occupying part of J & K"
Well it was Indian morons like you who let the Chinese come in, If you could occupy Kashmiri territory illegally...what makes you think they(Chinese/Pakistanis) can't do the same????
You have miserably failed in protecting Kashmir and your further presence will most certainly divide J&K further. We can expect nothing better from a people who divide even their core society on the basis of caste and create divisions amongst ethnically similar people.
"But you have problems with Hindus"
My problem is with not with Hindus but with all those who let their hindutva ideology and ultra nationalism alter their brains in such a way that they fail to see the picture clearly. You guy's have killed a 120,000 Kashmiris and still preach peace.....Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....Moronic pedigree of the dastardliness n nothing else.
October 16, 2010 6:24 AM
Subbaiah Biddanda said...
@Pakistan's Nemesis,
"Muslims are responsible for almost all the terrorist activities in the name of religion, world-wide. The problem lies with your religion, not with other faiths".
Who started the muslim Jhadis? It was USA and Pakistan to fight Soviet in Afganistan and Indians in Kashmir. So the problem is not the religion but the government's who have used religion to their advantage to brainwash the gullible.
Now the same toxic creation of theirs are screwing these two countries more than anybody else.
October 16, 2010 1:30 PM
Chinaar said...
@ Subbaiah
You seem to be much more sensible than this nemesis guy.....keep reading and seeking the truth!!!
October 17, 2010 5:09 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@Subbaiah
Don't the Muslims have any brains of their own? Then logically it comes back that they blindly follow anybody who urges them to kill in the name of religion. And by the way, the concept of jihad did not start with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Unfortunately, your information is pretty limited. And as far as the Blogger is concerned, it is a typical case of intolerance which is a characteristic feature of Islamist and the followes of the faith - No dissent, no criticism.
October 17, 2010 11:17 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Chinaar
Killing people belonging to other faiths by your breathren is fine - for it is ordained in the Koran, will of Allah and all that bullshit. It is not the prerogative of Muslims to kill. Right from the inception of this religion, what has it done? Kill and terrorise in order to spread the faith. History of Islam is full of bloodshed, both to further political objectives and to spread the faith.
A separatist bloke like you (from the hardline camp) may call Kashmir as being illegally occupied by India. For Indians, it is accession of Kashmir to India. All said and done, Kashmir remains an integral part of India.
Well, surprisingly the Blogger seems to keep count of the number of Kashmiris killed. Has he ever bothered to keep count of the number of Pandits who were killed or driven out?
October 17, 2010 11:30 PM
Kashmiri said...
@ Chinar - Illegal Occupation??? Kashmir pandits houses and property??
Thts the questions tht come to my mind. Also wonder that u must be having a lot of Indian acquaintances?? bcos of which u have such strong opinions..... can u share sme incidences???
September 28, 2010 4:20 AM
Chinaar said...
@Kashmir,
Can't understand your question!!!!
September 28, 2010 6:41 AM
Kashmiri said...
@ Chinar
Firstly i need to clarify smethin
Just wanted to say that when u mention "Indians" are u talkin abt " A Common Indian" or the elite people in power.
Chinar - I have put up another message for u on another of ur blog also
September 28, 2010 11:25 PM
Chinaar said...
I mean elitist Indians and those who support their army in Kashmir. Common Indians like the Maoists/Naxals/Tribals etc are also suffering like us Kashmiris.
September 30, 2010 1:26 PM
utkarsh said...
no chinar
kashmiris are not so negative as u want to portrait them.
many kashmiris whom i have met do not have such negative and jealous mindset.
probably u are such kind of person.
October 7, 2010 10:13 AM
Chinaar said...
@utkarsh
Have u ever wondered that u Indians might actually have pushed us so much that we have started acting like this!!!
October 8, 2010 5:07 AM
Chinaar said...
@utkarsh, If you are truly democratic, u will then perhaps maybe hopefully understand the ultimate truth that "Overwhelming majority of Kashmiris are not Indians even if the Ladakhis or the dogras are".....
October 8, 2010 11:18 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The blog must be re-named as "abode of the terrorists from Pakistan". The blogger is the typical Muslim with the medieval mind-set. When they are in majority, their objective is to "cleanse" out the minority (in this case the Hindus) and when in minority harp on secularism and minority rights. These Muslims who want independence or intend to join Porkistan do not reflect the desire or aspiration of the entire state of J & K.
India has treated this lot with kid gloves. It is time to give them the boot treatment (i.e. kick them into Porkistan)
October 9, 2010 3:39 AM
bashir said...
@Nemesis
Your type of people is exactly the reason why we Kashmiris don't like Indians.
October 9, 2010 6:46 AM
Subbaiah Biddanda said...
Chinaar,
I have a strong feeling that Obama during his upcoming visit to India will push for India to take the initiative to resolve the Kashmir dispute keeping a permanent seat in the security council as a bargaining chip.
It is clear that if Kashmir is resolved Pakistan army can concentrate to get US job done vis versa Taliban. Also India being a billion plus people deserve a permanent seat but not if it has pending territorial disputes and continuing human rights acquisition's.
So this might work... hold a plebiscite in Kashmir and get a permanent seat in the UN Security council....
October 10, 2010 9:39 AM
Chinaar said...
@Biddanda
I agree, India will have to prove its honest track record vis a vis Kashmir before it sits at the security council to judge other peoples issues.
However, the fanatics in India(RSS,BJP,VHP,Shiv Sena etc) will not let that happen. I sincerely hope that better sense prevails.
October 11, 2010 5:04 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@Bashir
We reciprocate that hatred for Kashmiris who have been brain-washed by the Wahabi brand of Islam. So long as Sufiism existed, peace prevailed in Kashmir; with Salafi-Wahabi brand of Islam came jihad and violence. Violence begets violence. I stand by my earlier comments.
With all the hatred to the rabid Islamists in Kashmir, across and beyond
Pakistan's Nemesis
October 14, 2010 4:08 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Chinaar
It is fanatics like you who are primarily responsible for the so-called K issue. You terrorists carried out ethnic cleansing of Pandits because you were in a majority. I hope the day is not far when pigs like you are cleansed out along with your ilk. The Pakis, your masters on whose behalf you carry out terrorist acts will one day be effaced by its own self-destructive policies. Then we shall see, where buggers like you will be. Muslims are responsible for almost all the terrorist activities in the name of religion, world-wide. The problem lies with your religion, not with other faiths. You people have problem with Hindu whom you describe as fanatics, Jews as Zionists and so on. In fact fundamentalism and fanaticism is in-born trait of a Muslim and which manifests in the form of violence and jihad. Your community is not just an international migraine but a malignant cancer which needs to be rooted out. Therein lies the fundamental problem.
Clowns like you do not see any problem with the Chinese occupying part of J & K; with Pakis forcibly evicting ethnic Kashmiri Muslims from POK. But you have problems with Hindus. So you see why jokers like you are branded Pakis in the garb of a Kashmiri.
October 15, 2010 11:37 PM
Chinaar said...
@ Pakistans Nemesis
"You terrorists carried out ethnic cleansing of Pandits because you were in a majority. I hope the day is not far when pigs like you are cleansed out along with your ilk".
All the problems lie with us n yes we are pigs.....Keep up with your cleansing act and continue your blame game. No wonder with people like you around Kashmir issue has not been solved for 63 years!!!!!
October 16, 2010 6:06 AM
Chinaar said...
@PAK Nemesis
"Clowns like you do not see any problem with the Chinese occupying part of J & K"
Well it was Indian morons like you who let the Chinese come in, If you could occupy Kashmiri territory illegally...what makes you think they(Chinese/Pakistanis) can't do the same????
You have miserably failed in protecting Kashmir and your further presence will most certainly divide J&K further. We can expect nothing better from a people who divide even their core society on the basis of caste and create divisions amongst ethnically similar people.
"But you have problems with Hindus"
My problem is with not with Hindus but with all those who let their hindutva ideology and ultra nationalism alter their brains in such a way that they fail to see the picture clearly. You guy's have killed a 120,000 Kashmiris and still preach peace.....Ha HA HA HA HA HA HA HA....Moronic pedigree of the dastardliness n nothing else.
October 16, 2010 6:24 AM
Subbaiah Biddanda said...
@Pakistan's Nemesis,
"Muslims are responsible for almost all the terrorist activities in the name of religion, world-wide. The problem lies with your religion, not with other faiths".
Who started the muslim Jhadis? It was USA and Pakistan to fight Soviet in Afganistan and Indians in Kashmir. So the problem is not the religion but the government's who have used religion to their advantage to brainwash the gullible.
Now the same toxic creation of theirs are screwing these two countries more than anybody else.
October 16, 2010 1:30 PM
Chinaar said...
@ Subbaiah
You seem to be much more sensible than this nemesis guy.....keep reading and seeking the truth!!!
October 17, 2010 5:09 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@Subbaiah
Don't the Muslims have any brains of their own? Then logically it comes back that they blindly follow anybody who urges them to kill in the name of religion. And by the way, the concept of jihad did not start with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Unfortunately, your information is pretty limited. And as far as the Blogger is concerned, it is a typical case of intolerance which is a characteristic feature of Islamist and the followes of the faith - No dissent, no criticism.
October 17, 2010 11:17 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Chinaar
Killing people belonging to other faiths by your breathren is fine - for it is ordained in the Koran, will of Allah and all that bullshit. It is not the prerogative of Muslims to kill. Right from the inception of this religion, what has it done? Kill and terrorise in order to spread the faith. History of Islam is full of bloodshed, both to further political objectives and to spread the faith.
A separatist bloke like you (from the hardline camp) may call Kashmir as being illegally occupied by India. For Indians, it is accession of Kashmir to India. All said and done, Kashmir remains an integral part of India.
Well, surprisingly the Blogger seems to keep count of the number of Kashmiris killed. Has he ever bothered to keep count of the number of Pandits who were killed or driven out?
October 17, 2010 11:30 PM
Thursday, September 16, 2010
Comments on "To Pakistan's Martyrs"
An interesting post from another anti-West and rabidly anti-Israel and anti-India blogger AQ.
http://aq-lounge.blogspot.com/2010/09/to-pakistans-martyrs.html#comments
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
In Pakistan, there are no martyrs - there are terrorists who kill and there are ones who are killed. Pakis may refer to Taliban and Al Qaeda members who are killed in drone attacks as martyrs. This cancer called Pakistan must be eradicated.
September 13, 2010 3:21 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
According to this moron, Pakis are all saints and peace-loving folks. And regional enemies (read India) are fomenting trouble. He must know that Muslims have never lived in peace with others or amongst themselves. The history of Muslim dynasties are full of violence and succession to the throne was always through deceit, treachery and killings. The same means are adopted today as well with probably more sophistication and improvement. Damn the Pakis.
September 13, 2010 3:39 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
The man from Israel who has left two abusive posts here has also been depositing his poison at my blog. One of my readers has given him the sobriquet "Enemy-of-Pakistan". AQ's readers might like to read the comments at my most recent blog post.
September 14, 2010 10:33 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What this moron does not appreciate like his fellow countrymen is the fact that the international community considers Pak to be hostis humani generis, meaning enemy of mankind. Instead of foolishly giving sobriquets, he can utilise his energy for making Pak and its citizens a civilised nation. At least over the long run future generations of this country may be acceptable to the international community.
September 16, 2010 1:22 PM
http://aq-lounge.blogspot.com/2010/09/to-pakistans-martyrs.html#comments
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
In Pakistan, there are no martyrs - there are terrorists who kill and there are ones who are killed. Pakis may refer to Taliban and Al Qaeda members who are killed in drone attacks as martyrs. This cancer called Pakistan must be eradicated.
September 13, 2010 3:21 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
According to this moron, Pakis are all saints and peace-loving folks. And regional enemies (read India) are fomenting trouble. He must know that Muslims have never lived in peace with others or amongst themselves. The history of Muslim dynasties are full of violence and succession to the throne was always through deceit, treachery and killings. The same means are adopted today as well with probably more sophistication and improvement. Damn the Pakis.
September 13, 2010 3:39 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
The man from Israel who has left two abusive posts here has also been depositing his poison at my blog. One of my readers has given him the sobriquet "Enemy-of-Pakistan". AQ's readers might like to read the comments at my most recent blog post.
September 14, 2010 10:33 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What this moron does not appreciate like his fellow countrymen is the fact that the international community considers Pak to be hostis humani generis, meaning enemy of mankind. Instead of foolishly giving sobriquets, he can utilise his energy for making Pak and its citizens a civilised nation. At least over the long run future generations of this country may be acceptable to the international community.
September 16, 2010 1:22 PM
Monday, September 13, 2010
Comments on The Lessons of Ramzan 2010
(The Paki Blogger who writes a blog under the caption Reality and Illusion is in reality a Wolf in Sheep's Clothing. He portrays himself to be some kind of messiah, but in fact is no different from the other Pakis who have a deep-rooted hatred towards India and Indians, Jews and Israel and the West in general and the US in particular. This idiotic buffoon accuses US for the sectarian killings in Iraq and is repeating the so-called experiment in Pakistan. And then goes on to blame India and Israel for aiding and abetting it. What this nut has failed to realise is that the followers of Islam were never at peace with each other. The rivalry and in-fighting amongst Sunnis and Shias is probably as old as Islam. Why has anybody heard of peaceful succession amongst Muslim princes in the Mughal dynasty? Brothers fought amongst themselves for the throne and crown of Hindustan. Where was the US, Israel and India when these blood-thirsty princes fought one another?
The Blogger after wishing his breathren for EID goes on write the piece, an excerpt of which is reproduced below along with the author's comment).
The mysterious "sectarian" killings
"Then, no sooner had the ferocity of the floods abated a bit when the notorious “sectarian killings” hit the country again. I have written at length about this phenomenon before – see, for example, Terrorising Pakistan - and I say it again: the USA brought the cancer of sectarian killings to Iraq in order to achieve its political aims and it is repeating that experiment in Pakistan. Only this time it is being aided and abetted, not just by the Israelis but by the wholehearted participation of the Indian government and its agencies. Pakistan’s government, controlled by a gang of disreputable people put in place by the scheming foreign powers, is powerless to stop the descent of Pakistan into apparent anarchy."
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Floods in Pakistan! Sectarian killings in Pakistan! Blame it on US, Israel and India (not necessarily in that order always). When is the Paki (including this Blogger) going to blame himself for a change for the ills plaguing Pakistan? Pak itself is a cancer. How can cancer be afflicted with cancer? It is nice to sit in UK and blame the Indians, Jews (according to Pakis Zionists) and the West for all the problems. The irony is this blog is titled reality and illusion. All that is written blaming others for one's own ills is illusion.
September 13, 2010 9:21 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Ha ha ha! Man, I thought you were an Indian Jew but you turn out to be an Israeli Zionist! That explains the totally unscrupulous and hate-filled comments you pour out here. This blog seems to have a magical power to draw out the evil that seems to reside within you.
Wake up, man, this post of mine is heavily critical of my compatriots - it is only in the context of sectarian killings that I mention the USA-Israel-India axis of evil.
September 13, 2010 6:38 PM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
Dear Sakib,
You have previously mentioned this man's "visceral hatred of Pakistan and Pakistanis". I think it is more than that. He is based in Israel and he clearly belongs to the group of Pakistan's enemies who are out to destroy our country.
Your blog is one of the most critical about Pakistan but the criticism is based on love for Pakistan and its people. This is what your blog's nemesis cannot stomach. You have criticised Pakistan's government, army, civil service, society, Taliban, religious extremists, etc but he is blind to that criticism. As soon as you mention foreign meddling in Pakistan, this enemy-of-Pakistan starts shooting from the hip, to suppress reality and create an illusion.
The Enemy-of-Pakistan's use of the word 'cancer' is the last straw. Please, please, introduce moderation in your blog. This may take some people away from your blog but this SURGERY is necessary to remove the CANCER from Israel which has taken root in your blog. This cancerous growth may eventually cost you more readers compared to comment moderation.
September 13, 2010 11:55 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
I thought the Blogger understood my comments. Of course, the comment was in context of the accusation levelled against the US, Israel and India. The axis of evil is not US-Israel-India, but Pak ISI-Al Qaeda-Taliban. This is the cancer which the world must eradicate.
Insofar as the idiot who calls himself lost-in-cyberspace (permanently) is concerned, Israel has no military or political objective vis-a-vis Pak is concerned. Israel has its hands full - there is the sinister Syria-Iran-backed Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terrorists to deal with. It is your opportunistic General Musharraf who wanted to develop links with Israel. Israel had no interest in the region, except for being a trading partner with India and training Indian special forces. It does not give a damn whether Pak rots or is destroyed. This idiot must know and realise that Pakistan today is the enemy of mankind, not just of India or Israel. No sane person other than a Paki has any love for Pak.
Even if my comments are deleted, I will continue to post and expose the duplicitous Pakis who try to mislead the world through false and make-believe propaganda through my blog.
PS: It is better to be an Israeli Zionist than being a Paki terrorist.
September 14, 2010 7:38 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Lost-in-Cyberspace is a rocket scientist. He has been able to unravel that I am based in Israel. He deserves to be given Pakistan's highest award reserved for morons. As far as destroying Pak is concerned, it does not need an external enemy to do that task. Pakis will destroy the state themselves.
September 14, 2010 10:32 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Lost,
Thank you for your perceptive comments. It seems "Enemy-of-Pakistan" has taken the hint - he has deleted both of his posts in which his penchant for abuse had touched new heights. In the second of his two posts he had made fun of you for suggesting that he is from Israel.
I am copying a part of his blog profile below:
Pakistan's Nemesis
Gender: Male
Industry: Telecommunications
Location: Israel
Favourite Books
Der Judenstaat by Theodor Herzl Exodus - Leon Uris The Story of My Life - Moshe Dayan The House on Garibaldi Street - Isser Hare
September 14, 2010 6:24 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The fact remains that Pak is hostis humani generis - enemy of mankind irrespective of the fact whether the Blogger or his friend "lost" likes it or not. It is not just an international migraine but a cancer.
September 15, 2010 7:44 AM
The Blogger after wishing his breathren for EID goes on write the piece, an excerpt of which is reproduced below along with the author's comment).
The mysterious "sectarian" killings
"Then, no sooner had the ferocity of the floods abated a bit when the notorious “sectarian killings” hit the country again. I have written at length about this phenomenon before – see, for example, Terrorising Pakistan - and I say it again: the USA brought the cancer of sectarian killings to Iraq in order to achieve its political aims and it is repeating that experiment in Pakistan. Only this time it is being aided and abetted, not just by the Israelis but by the wholehearted participation of the Indian government and its agencies. Pakistan’s government, controlled by a gang of disreputable people put in place by the scheming foreign powers, is powerless to stop the descent of Pakistan into apparent anarchy."
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Floods in Pakistan! Sectarian killings in Pakistan! Blame it on US, Israel and India (not necessarily in that order always). When is the Paki (including this Blogger) going to blame himself for a change for the ills plaguing Pakistan? Pak itself is a cancer. How can cancer be afflicted with cancer? It is nice to sit in UK and blame the Indians, Jews (according to Pakis Zionists) and the West for all the problems. The irony is this blog is titled reality and illusion. All that is written blaming others for one's own ills is illusion.
September 13, 2010 9:21 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Ha ha ha! Man, I thought you were an Indian Jew but you turn out to be an Israeli Zionist! That explains the totally unscrupulous and hate-filled comments you pour out here. This blog seems to have a magical power to draw out the evil that seems to reside within you.
Wake up, man, this post of mine is heavily critical of my compatriots - it is only in the context of sectarian killings that I mention the USA-Israel-India axis of evil.
September 13, 2010 6:38 PM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
Dear Sakib,
You have previously mentioned this man's "visceral hatred of Pakistan and Pakistanis". I think it is more than that. He is based in Israel and he clearly belongs to the group of Pakistan's enemies who are out to destroy our country.
Your blog is one of the most critical about Pakistan but the criticism is based on love for Pakistan and its people. This is what your blog's nemesis cannot stomach. You have criticised Pakistan's government, army, civil service, society, Taliban, religious extremists, etc but he is blind to that criticism. As soon as you mention foreign meddling in Pakistan, this enemy-of-Pakistan starts shooting from the hip, to suppress reality and create an illusion.
The Enemy-of-Pakistan's use of the word 'cancer' is the last straw. Please, please, introduce moderation in your blog. This may take some people away from your blog but this SURGERY is necessary to remove the CANCER from Israel which has taken root in your blog. This cancerous growth may eventually cost you more readers compared to comment moderation.
September 13, 2010 11:55 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
I thought the Blogger understood my comments. Of course, the comment was in context of the accusation levelled against the US, Israel and India. The axis of evil is not US-Israel-India, but Pak ISI-Al Qaeda-Taliban. This is the cancer which the world must eradicate.
Insofar as the idiot who calls himself lost-in-cyberspace (permanently) is concerned, Israel has no military or political objective vis-a-vis Pak is concerned. Israel has its hands full - there is the sinister Syria-Iran-backed Hezbollah, Hamas and other Islamic terrorists to deal with. It is your opportunistic General Musharraf who wanted to develop links with Israel. Israel had no interest in the region, except for being a trading partner with India and training Indian special forces. It does not give a damn whether Pak rots or is destroyed. This idiot must know and realise that Pakistan today is the enemy of mankind, not just of India or Israel. No sane person other than a Paki has any love for Pak.
Even if my comments are deleted, I will continue to post and expose the duplicitous Pakis who try to mislead the world through false and make-believe propaganda through my blog.
PS: It is better to be an Israeli Zionist than being a Paki terrorist.
September 14, 2010 7:38 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Lost-in-Cyberspace is a rocket scientist. He has been able to unravel that I am based in Israel. He deserves to be given Pakistan's highest award reserved for morons. As far as destroying Pak is concerned, it does not need an external enemy to do that task. Pakis will destroy the state themselves.
September 14, 2010 10:32 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Lost,
Thank you for your perceptive comments. It seems "Enemy-of-Pakistan" has taken the hint - he has deleted both of his posts in which his penchant for abuse had touched new heights. In the second of his two posts he had made fun of you for suggesting that he is from Israel.
I am copying a part of his blog profile below:
Pakistan's Nemesis
Gender: Male
Industry: Telecommunications
Location: Israel
Favourite Books
Der Judenstaat by Theodor Herzl Exodus - Leon Uris The Story of My Life - Moshe Dayan The House on Garibaldi Street - Isser Hare
September 14, 2010 6:24 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The fact remains that Pak is hostis humani generis - enemy of mankind irrespective of the fact whether the Blogger or his friend "lost" likes it or not. It is not just an international migraine but a cancer.
September 15, 2010 7:44 AM
Thursday, September 2, 2010
Have Pakis lost their mental balance?
Pakistani paper blames India for 'fixing' scandal
(It appears that Pakistan now having been caught red-handed in match fixing is desperately trying to save face by implicating India and in particular the R&AW for the mess they find themselves in. An elaborate conspiracy theory has been floated by the ISI-backed media accusing India for the scandal. Pakis are not only very good in producing world-class terrorists and suicide bombers and exporting them to other countries, but are equally proficient in producing criminals of all hues.)
The Pakistani media has blamed Indian Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) for the match fixing scandal and says that India wants to oust Pakistan from international cricket.
A Pakistani news paper Daily Mail has carried a story with the title 'The Lord's episode another RAW ploy' says International Cricket Council's chief Sharad Pawar has been working to get the Pakistan team banned for three to five years and the bookie Mazhar Majeed is a RAW man, who was introduced to Indian cricket by RAW officials.
The report further says: "The bookie met Pakistan players in South Africa at a dinner for the first time in 2009. The English journalist got 50,000 Pounds to organise the fake sting operation from RAW and the Indian High Commission in London played a key role in the bookie's bail."
According to the report, ICC president Sharad Pawar and Scotland Yard are making futile efforts to involve Pakistani players in spot-fixing with the desire for a 2-3 years ban on Pakistan.
The ICC chief and its members, who work for RAW were the mastermind behind all this planned mess with special focus on ending the career of new teenage pace sensation Mohammad Amir.
The report also says that the picture of Salman Butt along with bookie and some reporter is clearly fabricated.
Furthermore the video of the bookie, Majeed giving a jacket containing the pounds to Wahab Riaz is also fabricated, the paper said.
The Daily Mail's report says that the bookie Mazhar Majeed is a RAW front man and holds a key position in RAW's illicit fund generation programs. He was merely a ticket tout at movie theatres in Mumbai till a few years back when was hand picked by RAW like they did it in the Chhota Rajan case and was put under the command of RAW's Special Operations Division SOD, headed by Rajan where he was trained for sports betting.
The report further indicates that Majeed was introduced to different bookies at Mumbai, Delhi, Johannesburg, Cape Town and Dubai by RAW officials. In 2007, RAW arranged Majeed's meeting with India's star players like Sachin Tendulkar, Harbhajan Singh and Rahul Dravid so that they can further introduce Majeed to different players of other teams -- especially Pakistan and other top cricketers around the world like Shane Watson.
"In September 2009, an Indian businessman Vijay Aaloowalia, based in Cape Town, South Africa hosted a dinner for Pakistani and Indian cricketers on the sidelines of Champions Trophy. Bookie Majeed was also invited to that dinner where some Pakistani players were introduced to him for the first time. Though the trick didn't work and the Pakistan team defeated India easily in that tournament but Majeed remained in touch with Pakistan players then onwards," the report adds.
The British police is currently carrying out investigation into allegations that players Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif took bribes to fix incidents during the fourth Test against England last week.
Source-rediff.com
(It appears that Pakistan now having been caught red-handed in match fixing is desperately trying to save face by implicating India and in particular the R&AW for the mess they find themselves in. An elaborate conspiracy theory has been floated by the ISI-backed media accusing India for the scandal. Pakis are not only very good in producing world-class terrorists and suicide bombers and exporting them to other countries, but are equally proficient in producing criminals of all hues.)
The Pakistani media has blamed Indian Research and Analysis Wing (RAW) for the match fixing scandal and says that India wants to oust Pakistan from international cricket.
A Pakistani news paper Daily Mail has carried a story with the title 'The Lord's episode another RAW ploy' says International Cricket Council's chief Sharad Pawar has been working to get the Pakistan team banned for three to five years and the bookie Mazhar Majeed is a RAW man, who was introduced to Indian cricket by RAW officials.
The report further says: "The bookie met Pakistan players in South Africa at a dinner for the first time in 2009. The English journalist got 50,000 Pounds to organise the fake sting operation from RAW and the Indian High Commission in London played a key role in the bookie's bail."
According to the report, ICC president Sharad Pawar and Scotland Yard are making futile efforts to involve Pakistani players in spot-fixing with the desire for a 2-3 years ban on Pakistan.
The ICC chief and its members, who work for RAW were the mastermind behind all this planned mess with special focus on ending the career of new teenage pace sensation Mohammad Amir.
The report also says that the picture of Salman Butt along with bookie and some reporter is clearly fabricated.
Furthermore the video of the bookie, Majeed giving a jacket containing the pounds to Wahab Riaz is also fabricated, the paper said.
The Daily Mail's report says that the bookie Mazhar Majeed is a RAW front man and holds a key position in RAW's illicit fund generation programs. He was merely a ticket tout at movie theatres in Mumbai till a few years back when was hand picked by RAW like they did it in the Chhota Rajan case and was put under the command of RAW's Special Operations Division SOD, headed by Rajan where he was trained for sports betting.
The report further indicates that Majeed was introduced to different bookies at Mumbai, Delhi, Johannesburg, Cape Town and Dubai by RAW officials. In 2007, RAW arranged Majeed's meeting with India's star players like Sachin Tendulkar, Harbhajan Singh and Rahul Dravid so that they can further introduce Majeed to different players of other teams -- especially Pakistan and other top cricketers around the world like Shane Watson.
"In September 2009, an Indian businessman Vijay Aaloowalia, based in Cape Town, South Africa hosted a dinner for Pakistani and Indian cricketers on the sidelines of Champions Trophy. Bookie Majeed was also invited to that dinner where some Pakistani players were introduced to him for the first time. Though the trick didn't work and the Pakistan team defeated India easily in that tournament but Majeed remained in touch with Pakistan players then onwards," the report adds.
The British police is currently carrying out investigation into allegations that players Salman Butt, Mohammad Amir and Mohammad Asif took bribes to fix incidents during the fourth Test against England last week.
Source-rediff.com
Thursday, August 26, 2010
Atrocities in the name of religion
Paki bloggers who praise their religion and its tenets should read the realities on the ground where Islam is the state religion and not live in an illusory world. Isn't it time that the international community took cognizance of the atrocities perpetrated and take drastic action against the Taliban and its creator and political master, Pakistan? The world will be better a place to live in without a state like Pakistan and groups like the Taliban and Al Qaeda and Al Shabaab.
Afghan Women and the Return of the Taliban
An article in TIME magazine
The following is an abridged version of an article that appears in the Aug. 9, 2010, print and iPad editions of TIME magazine.
The Taliban pounded on the door just before midnight, demanding that Aisha, 18, be punished for running away from her husband's house. Her in-laws treated her like a slave, Aisha pleaded. They beat her. If she hadn't run away, she would have died. Her judge, a local Taliban commander, was unmoved. Aisha's brother-in-law held her down while her husband pulled out a knife. First he sliced off her ears. Then he started on her nose.
This didn't happen 10 years ago, when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan. It happened last year. Now hidden in a secret women's shelter in Kabul, Aisha listens obsessively to the news. Talk that the Afghan government is considering some kind of political accommodation with the Taliban frightens her. "They are the people that did this to me," she says, touching her damaged face. "How can we reconcile with them?"
In June, Afghan President Hamid Karzai established a peace council tasked with exploring negotiations with the Taliban. A month later, Tom Malinowski from Human Rights Watch met Karzai. During their conversation, Karzai mused on the cost of the conflict in human lives and wondered aloud if he had any right to talk about human rights when so many were dying. "He essentially asked me," says Malinowski, "What is more important, protecting the right of a girl to go to school or saving her life?" How Karzai and his international allies answer that question will have far-reaching consequences, not only for Afghanistan's women, but the country as a whole.
As the war in Afghanistan enters its ninth year, the need for an exit strategy weighs on the minds of U.S. policymakers. Such an outcome, it is assumed, would involve reconciliation with the Taliban. But Afghan women fear that in the quest for a quick peace, their progress may be sidelined. "Women's rights must not be the sacrifice by which peace is achieved," says parliamentarian Fawzia Koofi.
Yet that may be where negotiations are heading. The Taliban will be advocating a version of an Afghan state in line with their own conservative views, particularly on the issue of women's rights. Already there is a growing acceptance that some concessions to the Taliban are inevitable if there is to be genuine reconciliation. "You have to be realistic," says a diplomat in Kabul. "We are not going to be sending troops and spending money forever. There will have to be a compromise, and sacrifices will have to be made."
For Afghanistan's women, an early withdrawal of international forces could be disastrous. An Afghan refugee who grew up in Canada, Mozhdah Jamalzadah recently returned home to launch an Oprah-style talk show in which she has been able to subtly introduce questions of women's rights without provoking the ire of religious conservatives. On a recent episode, a male guest told a joke about a foreign human-rights team in Afghanistan. In the cities, the team noticed that women walked six paces behind their husbands. But in rural Helmand, where the Taliban is strongest, they saw a woman six steps ahead. The foreigners rushed to congratulate the husband on his enlightenment — only to be told that he stuck his wife in front because they were walking through a minefield. As the audience roared with laughter, Jamalzadah reflected that it may take about 10 to 15 years before Afghan women can truly walk alongside men. But once they do, she believes, all Afghans will benefit. "When we talk about women's rights," Jamalzadah says, "we are talking about things that are important to men as well — men who want to see Afghanistan move forward. If you sacrifice women to make peace, you are also sacrificing the men who support them and abandoning the country to the fundamentalists that caused all the problems in the first place."
Source: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2007238,00.html
http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamWomenAndFeminism_1.aspx?ArticleID=3240
Afghan Women and the Return of the Taliban
An article in TIME magazine
The following is an abridged version of an article that appears in the Aug. 9, 2010, print and iPad editions of TIME magazine.
The Taliban pounded on the door just before midnight, demanding that Aisha, 18, be punished for running away from her husband's house. Her in-laws treated her like a slave, Aisha pleaded. They beat her. If she hadn't run away, she would have died. Her judge, a local Taliban commander, was unmoved. Aisha's brother-in-law held her down while her husband pulled out a knife. First he sliced off her ears. Then he started on her nose.
This didn't happen 10 years ago, when the Taliban ruled Afghanistan. It happened last year. Now hidden in a secret women's shelter in Kabul, Aisha listens obsessively to the news. Talk that the Afghan government is considering some kind of political accommodation with the Taliban frightens her. "They are the people that did this to me," she says, touching her damaged face. "How can we reconcile with them?"
In June, Afghan President Hamid Karzai established a peace council tasked with exploring negotiations with the Taliban. A month later, Tom Malinowski from Human Rights Watch met Karzai. During their conversation, Karzai mused on the cost of the conflict in human lives and wondered aloud if he had any right to talk about human rights when so many were dying. "He essentially asked me," says Malinowski, "What is more important, protecting the right of a girl to go to school or saving her life?" How Karzai and his international allies answer that question will have far-reaching consequences, not only for Afghanistan's women, but the country as a whole.
As the war in Afghanistan enters its ninth year, the need for an exit strategy weighs on the minds of U.S. policymakers. Such an outcome, it is assumed, would involve reconciliation with the Taliban. But Afghan women fear that in the quest for a quick peace, their progress may be sidelined. "Women's rights must not be the sacrifice by which peace is achieved," says parliamentarian Fawzia Koofi.
Yet that may be where negotiations are heading. The Taliban will be advocating a version of an Afghan state in line with their own conservative views, particularly on the issue of women's rights. Already there is a growing acceptance that some concessions to the Taliban are inevitable if there is to be genuine reconciliation. "You have to be realistic," says a diplomat in Kabul. "We are not going to be sending troops and spending money forever. There will have to be a compromise, and sacrifices will have to be made."
For Afghanistan's women, an early withdrawal of international forces could be disastrous. An Afghan refugee who grew up in Canada, Mozhdah Jamalzadah recently returned home to launch an Oprah-style talk show in which she has been able to subtly introduce questions of women's rights without provoking the ire of religious conservatives. On a recent episode, a male guest told a joke about a foreign human-rights team in Afghanistan. In the cities, the team noticed that women walked six paces behind their husbands. But in rural Helmand, where the Taliban is strongest, they saw a woman six steps ahead. The foreigners rushed to congratulate the husband on his enlightenment — only to be told that he stuck his wife in front because they were walking through a minefield. As the audience roared with laughter, Jamalzadah reflected that it may take about 10 to 15 years before Afghan women can truly walk alongside men. But once they do, she believes, all Afghans will benefit. "When we talk about women's rights," Jamalzadah says, "we are talking about things that are important to men as well — men who want to see Afghanistan move forward. If you sacrifice women to make peace, you are also sacrificing the men who support them and abandoning the country to the fundamentalists that caused all the problems in the first place."
Source: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2007238,00.html
http://www.newageislam.com/NewAgeIslamIslamWomenAndFeminism_1.aspx?ArticleID=3240
Monday, August 23, 2010
Terror in the name of religion
Fanatics only differ in degree and Islamists are no exception. Islamic terrorists, be it in Somalia (Al Shabaab) or in Afghanistan-Pakistan (Taliban) are brutal when it comes to the imposition of the dreaded Sharia. The following report from Somalia highlights the oppressive and regressive ways of these fundamentalists.
Whipped for wearing a 'deceptive' bra: Hardline Islamists in Somalia publicly flog women in Sharia crackdown
A hardline Islamist group in Somalia has begun publicly whipping women for wearing bras that they claim violate Islam as they are 'deceptive'.
The insurgent group Al Shabaab has sent gunmen into the streets of Mogadishu to round up any women who appear to have a firm bust, residents claimed yesterday.
The women are then inspected to see if the firmness is natural, or if it is the result of wearing a bra.
If they are found wearing a bra, they are ordered to remove it and shake their breasts, residents said.
Al Shabaab, which seeks to impose a strict interpretation of Sharia law over all Somalia, also amputated a foot and a hand each from two young men accused of robbery earlier this month.
They have also banned movies, musical ringtones, dancing at wedding ceremonies and playing or watching soccer.
'Al Shabaab forced us to wear their type of full veil and now they order us to shake our breasts,' a resident, Halima, told Reuters, adding that her daughters had been whipped on Thursday.
'They are now saying that breasts should be firm naturally, or just flat.'
Officials of Al Shabaab, which Washington says is Al Qaeda's proxy in the failed Horn of Africa state, declined to comment.
The group's hardline interpretation of Islamic law has shocked many Somalis, who are traditionally moderate Muslims. Some residents, however, give the insurgents credit for restoring order to the regions under their control.
Al Shabaab, which means 'youth' in Arabic, control large swathes of south and central Somalia.
Abdullahi Hussein, a student in north Mogadishu, said his elder brother was thrown behind bars when he fought back a man who humiliated their sister by asking her to remove her bra.
'My brother was jailed after he wrestled with a man that had beaten my sister and forced her to remove her bra. He could not stand it,' Hussein said.
Men were not spared the' moral cleansing'. Any man caught without a beard was been publicly whipped.
'I was beaten and my hair was cut off with a pair of scissors in the street,' Hussein said.
'My trouser was also cut up to the knee. They accused me of shaving my beard but I am only 18.
'They have arrested dozens of men and women. You just find yourself being whipped by a masked man as soon as leave your house.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1220864/Whipped-wearing-deceptive-bra-Hardline-Islamists-Somalia-publicly-flog-women-sharia-crackdown.html#
Whipped for wearing a 'deceptive' bra: Hardline Islamists in Somalia publicly flog women in Sharia crackdown
A hardline Islamist group in Somalia has begun publicly whipping women for wearing bras that they claim violate Islam as they are 'deceptive'.
The insurgent group Al Shabaab has sent gunmen into the streets of Mogadishu to round up any women who appear to have a firm bust, residents claimed yesterday.
The women are then inspected to see if the firmness is natural, or if it is the result of wearing a bra.
If they are found wearing a bra, they are ordered to remove it and shake their breasts, residents said.
Al Shabaab, which seeks to impose a strict interpretation of Sharia law over all Somalia, also amputated a foot and a hand each from two young men accused of robbery earlier this month.
They have also banned movies, musical ringtones, dancing at wedding ceremonies and playing or watching soccer.
'Al Shabaab forced us to wear their type of full veil and now they order us to shake our breasts,' a resident, Halima, told Reuters, adding that her daughters had been whipped on Thursday.
'They are now saying that breasts should be firm naturally, or just flat.'
Officials of Al Shabaab, which Washington says is Al Qaeda's proxy in the failed Horn of Africa state, declined to comment.
The group's hardline interpretation of Islamic law has shocked many Somalis, who are traditionally moderate Muslims. Some residents, however, give the insurgents credit for restoring order to the regions under their control.
Al Shabaab, which means 'youth' in Arabic, control large swathes of south and central Somalia.
Abdullahi Hussein, a student in north Mogadishu, said his elder brother was thrown behind bars when he fought back a man who humiliated their sister by asking her to remove her bra.
'My brother was jailed after he wrestled with a man that had beaten my sister and forced her to remove her bra. He could not stand it,' Hussein said.
Men were not spared the' moral cleansing'. Any man caught without a beard was been publicly whipped.
'I was beaten and my hair was cut off with a pair of scissors in the street,' Hussein said.
'My trouser was also cut up to the knee. They accused me of shaving my beard but I am only 18.
'They have arrested dozens of men and women. You just find yourself being whipped by a masked man as soon as leave your house.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1220864/Whipped-wearing-deceptive-bra-Hardline-Islamists-Somalia-publicly-flog-women-sharia-crackdown.html#
Pakistan is no international migraine; it is a cancer
In the aftermath of the Mumbai terror attacks, referred to as Mumbai 26/11, Ms Madeleine Albright described Pakistan as an 'international migraine'. "My own sense is Pakistan has everything that gives you an international migraine. It has nuclear weapons, it has terrorism, extremists, corruption, very poor and it's in a location that's really, really important to us. And now this issue with India". This country with passage of time has turned into a cancer for civilised nations and societies. While being on its way to self-destruction, it is also making the world a dangerous place to live in. Paki bloggers who live in their make-believe world have been painting a very rosy picture of Pakistan. The world must awaken to the realities of Pakistan. Pakistan was and continues to be part of the international terrorist problem, not part of the solution as the US Administration believes. Below are two reports which show the true picture of Pak and its proxy, the Taliban.
Pak harbouring terrorists: Afghan national security adviser
Accusing Pakistan of harbouring Taliban and al-Qaeda militants, a top Afghan official today said the global community is committing a blunder by embracing it as a strategic partner despite the fact that terrorism emanating from the region is affecting India, UK and others.
"Unfortunately, the military-intelligence establishment of one of our neighbours still regards Afghanistan as its sphere of influence," Rangin Dadfar Spanta, national security advisor of Afghan president Hamid Karzai, said in an op-ed in 'The Washington Post'.
Spanta, who had also served as the country's foreign minister, said that Pakistan, while faced with a growing domestic terrorist threat, "continues to provide sanctuary and support to the (Taliban's) Quetta Shura, the Haqqani network, the Hekmatyar group and al-Qaeda."
"And while the documents recently disclosed by WikiLeaks contained information that was neither new nor surprising, they did make public further evidence of the close relations among the Taliban, al-Qaeda and Pakistani intelligence," he said.
The international community is present in Afghanistan to dismantle these international terrorist networks, Spanta said. "Yet the focus on this fundamental task has progressively eroded and has been compounded by another strategic failure: the mistaken embrace of 'strategic partners' who have, in fact, been nurturing terrorism."
The Afghan national security advisor said undoubtedly the absence of transparency in contracts and the presence of private security companies clearly connected to certain officials -- contributing ultimately to the privatisation of security and thus insecurity in Afghanistan -- are matters of grave concern.
"But the international terrorist presence in the region is not entrenched solely because of Afghan corruption. Britain, Spain, Turkey, China, Germany and India have all been victims not of Afghan corruption but of international terrorism -- emanating from the region," he said.
"It is my firm conviction that securing our people, districts and towns from terrorists; institutionalising the rule of law; and fighting corruption are necessary steps toward building a strong and responsive state," Spanta said.
However, he said that this is not enough. "No domestic measure will fully address the threat of international terrorism, its global totalitarian ideology or its regional support networks. Dismantling the terrorist infrastructure is a central component of our anti-terror strategy, and this requires confronting the state that still sees terrorism as a strategic asset and foreign policy tool."
Spanta said global efforts to counter terrorism will not succeed until and unless there is clarity on who are friends and foes.
"How can we persuade Afghans, or the parents of young soldiers from coalition countries, to support a war where our 'partners' are involved in killing their sons and daughters?
"While we are losing dozens of men and women to terrorist attacks every day, the terrorists' main mentor continues to receive billions of dollars in aid and assistance. How is this fundamental contradiction justified?" he asked.
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pak-harbouring-terrorists-afghan-national-security-adviser_1427395
Brutality in the name of religion
A man and a woman have been stoned to death in Afghanistan over an alleged love affair.
Their families asked the Taliban to arrest the two, who were each engaged to other people, after they tried to elope.
Their deaths come a week after it was revealed Islamic militants in the country had flogged and executed a woman accused of adultery.
The latest public execution took place in the Dasht-e Archi district of Kunduz in the north of the country.
Some Afghans still refer to Taliban courts for settling disputes, viewing government bodies as corrupt or unreliable.
A gathering of clerics, meeting last week to discuss reconciliation with the militant group, expressed support for harsh punishments such as stonings and lashings, which are allowed under sharia law.
Yesterday, a spokesman for Nato-led forces criticised the Taliban for carrying out what he said were acts of indiscriminate violence against ordinary Afghans.
Brigadier General Josef Blotz said: ‘The insurgents have clearly given up winning over the population, knowing that they don’t have an appealing vision for the people.’
An Amnesty International spokesman said: ‘The stoning of this couple is a heinous crime. The Taliban and other insurgent groups are growing increasingly brutal in their abuses against Afghans.’
A UN report last week showed civilian casualties in the country had risen by 31 per cent over the first six months of 2010, with 1,271 killed, and that the Taliban and other insurgents were responsible for 76 per cent of the deaths.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1303502/Afghan-couple-stoned-death-adultery-Taliban.html#ixzz0xQ6IzFOq
Pak harbouring terrorists: Afghan national security adviser
Accusing Pakistan of harbouring Taliban and al-Qaeda militants, a top Afghan official today said the global community is committing a blunder by embracing it as a strategic partner despite the fact that terrorism emanating from the region is affecting India, UK and others.
"Unfortunately, the military-intelligence establishment of one of our neighbours still regards Afghanistan as its sphere of influence," Rangin Dadfar Spanta, national security advisor of Afghan president Hamid Karzai, said in an op-ed in 'The Washington Post'.
Spanta, who had also served as the country's foreign minister, said that Pakistan, while faced with a growing domestic terrorist threat, "continues to provide sanctuary and support to the (Taliban's) Quetta Shura, the Haqqani network, the Hekmatyar group and al-Qaeda."
"And while the documents recently disclosed by WikiLeaks contained information that was neither new nor surprising, they did make public further evidence of the close relations among the Taliban, al-Qaeda and Pakistani intelligence," he said.
The international community is present in Afghanistan to dismantle these international terrorist networks, Spanta said. "Yet the focus on this fundamental task has progressively eroded and has been compounded by another strategic failure: the mistaken embrace of 'strategic partners' who have, in fact, been nurturing terrorism."
The Afghan national security advisor said undoubtedly the absence of transparency in contracts and the presence of private security companies clearly connected to certain officials -- contributing ultimately to the privatisation of security and thus insecurity in Afghanistan -- are matters of grave concern.
"But the international terrorist presence in the region is not entrenched solely because of Afghan corruption. Britain, Spain, Turkey, China, Germany and India have all been victims not of Afghan corruption but of international terrorism -- emanating from the region," he said.
"It is my firm conviction that securing our people, districts and towns from terrorists; institutionalising the rule of law; and fighting corruption are necessary steps toward building a strong and responsive state," Spanta said.
However, he said that this is not enough. "No domestic measure will fully address the threat of international terrorism, its global totalitarian ideology or its regional support networks. Dismantling the terrorist infrastructure is a central component of our anti-terror strategy, and this requires confronting the state that still sees terrorism as a strategic asset and foreign policy tool."
Spanta said global efforts to counter terrorism will not succeed until and unless there is clarity on who are friends and foes.
"How can we persuade Afghans, or the parents of young soldiers from coalition countries, to support a war where our 'partners' are involved in killing their sons and daughters?
"While we are losing dozens of men and women to terrorist attacks every day, the terrorists' main mentor continues to receive billions of dollars in aid and assistance. How is this fundamental contradiction justified?" he asked.
http://www.dnaindia.com/world/report_pak-harbouring-terrorists-afghan-national-security-adviser_1427395
Brutality in the name of religion
A man and a woman have been stoned to death in Afghanistan over an alleged love affair.
Their families asked the Taliban to arrest the two, who were each engaged to other people, after they tried to elope.
Their deaths come a week after it was revealed Islamic militants in the country had flogged and executed a woman accused of adultery.
The latest public execution took place in the Dasht-e Archi district of Kunduz in the north of the country.
Some Afghans still refer to Taliban courts for settling disputes, viewing government bodies as corrupt or unreliable.
A gathering of clerics, meeting last week to discuss reconciliation with the militant group, expressed support for harsh punishments such as stonings and lashings, which are allowed under sharia law.
Yesterday, a spokesman for Nato-led forces criticised the Taliban for carrying out what he said were acts of indiscriminate violence against ordinary Afghans.
Brigadier General Josef Blotz said: ‘The insurgents have clearly given up winning over the population, knowing that they don’t have an appealing vision for the people.’
An Amnesty International spokesman said: ‘The stoning of this couple is a heinous crime. The Taliban and other insurgent groups are growing increasingly brutal in their abuses against Afghans.’
A UN report last week showed civilian casualties in the country had risen by 31 per cent over the first six months of 2010, with 1,271 killed, and that the Taliban and other insurgents were responsible for 76 per cent of the deaths.
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1303502/Afghan-couple-stoned-death-adultery-Taliban.html#ixzz0xQ6IzFOq
Wednesday, August 18, 2010
Comments on India Expected To Raise Tension With Pakistan During Commonwealth Games
According to the ISI-backed Paki blogger Ahmed Quraishi New Delhi might resort to false flag operations or a mock terror threat to sidetrack media attention from the mess surrounding the games. In all probability, India could use one of the many Hindu terror groups to mount attacks that would be blamed on Pakistan. Pakistan is probably trying to tell the world that even if a terrorist strike takes place during the Common Wealth Games in Delhi, don't blame Pak for it as Pak has already laid the blame on certain fictitious "Hindu terror groups". Basically, it is laying the foundation for shifting the blame from the known jihadi groups like LeT and JeM which in all probability is readying for a strike.
Mansoor said...
What have commonwealth games got to do with the tensions between two neighboring countries? Just because their athletes would be competing in different sporting events, does not means that they will make the two countries go at war?
August 16, 2010 6:36 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Mansoor, how dare you criticise the great AQ who has the lowest IQ? AQ has definite information about conspiracies being hatched against Pak. Please leave the moron AQ alone to dream and make up things. DO NOT DISTURB - AQ (WITH THE LOWEST IQ) IS WORKING, OOPS DREAMING.
August 17, 2010 3:54 PM
Babur Chughtai said...
Masroor, it is useful to at least read the first paragraph of the article before commenting. You see, if you're going to read the title only and comment then you'll be making funny comments like the one you did here.
Who says there'll be tension if two countries play sports? This valuable report is talking about terrorism inside India and the track record of Indian military intelligence and Hindu terrorist organizations in carrying out bombings in public places and then blaming them on Pakistan or the Kashmiri freedom fighters.
There are two high profile cases that were busted in India were terrorist acts blamed on Pakistan or Kashmiris turned out to be the work of Hindu terror groups in collusion with Indian military intelligence.
Read the article please before regaling us with your shallowness.
August 18, 2010 11:04 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
There are no freedom fighters in Kashmir, only terrorists infiltrated from across the border in the name of jihad. The Hindu terrorist or terrorism is a misnomer. No killing has taken place under religious sanction. Just compare it with what the clerics in Pak say in relation to jihad. Military Intelligence in India, unlike in Pak does not have a religion. So the question of colluding with so-called Hindu terrorists does not arise. The comments are nothing but merely cheap propaganda.
August 18, 2010 12:22 PM
Mansoor said...
What have commonwealth games got to do with the tensions between two neighboring countries? Just because their athletes would be competing in different sporting events, does not means that they will make the two countries go at war?
August 16, 2010 6:36 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Mansoor, how dare you criticise the great AQ who has the lowest IQ? AQ has definite information about conspiracies being hatched against Pak. Please leave the moron AQ alone to dream and make up things. DO NOT DISTURB - AQ (WITH THE LOWEST IQ) IS WORKING, OOPS DREAMING.
August 17, 2010 3:54 PM
Babur Chughtai said...
Masroor, it is useful to at least read the first paragraph of the article before commenting. You see, if you're going to read the title only and comment then you'll be making funny comments like the one you did here.
Who says there'll be tension if two countries play sports? This valuable report is talking about terrorism inside India and the track record of Indian military intelligence and Hindu terrorist organizations in carrying out bombings in public places and then blaming them on Pakistan or the Kashmiri freedom fighters.
There are two high profile cases that were busted in India were terrorist acts blamed on Pakistan or Kashmiris turned out to be the work of Hindu terror groups in collusion with Indian military intelligence.
Read the article please before regaling us with your shallowness.
August 18, 2010 11:04 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
There are no freedom fighters in Kashmir, only terrorists infiltrated from across the border in the name of jihad. The Hindu terrorist or terrorism is a misnomer. No killing has taken place under religious sanction. Just compare it with what the clerics in Pak say in relation to jihad. Military Intelligence in India, unlike in Pak does not have a religion. So the question of colluding with so-called Hindu terrorists does not arise. The comments are nothing but merely cheap propaganda.
August 18, 2010 12:22 PM
Saturday, August 14, 2010
Comments on A Pakistani Story, 63 Years On
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The following comment is on a blog post "A Pakistani Story, 63 Years On" published in a radically anti-India and anti-West blog http://aq-lounge.blogspot.com/2010/08/pakistani-story-63-years-on.html penned by a lunatic by the name Ahmed Quraishi.
The lunatic AQ has posted one of his bull-shits again for the world to read and laugh. His posts have become some kind of joke. Who the hell is "our people in Kashmir", terrorists sent by Pakistan? That is the only logical answer to this loony question.
The next line is another of his idiotic fantasies - "This is a story of brave women and men, products of a great history, now contributing to the global march of civilization with pride, a unique history, and a glorious future." The Pak women, at least a majority of them are illiterate, veiled and suppressed by a medieval system and society dominated by male chauvinists. What great history does Pak have? Except one of violence and intolerance. Their only contribution to the world is exporting terror to civilized nations.
Jinnah was a westernized turncoat, a rank opportunist and a pork eater. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/176367-jinnah-q-and-a-merged.html
The skeptics were right. Pakistan is not even a nation-state. Most of its territories are under the control of Taliban and other fundamentalist elements. The civilian government is a mere namesake. The power rests with the army. AQ and Pakis should wake up to reality and not live in a illusory world.
The following comment is on a blog post "A Pakistani Story, 63 Years On" published in a radically anti-India and anti-West blog http://aq-lounge.blogspot.com/2010/08/pakistani-story-63-years-on.html penned by a lunatic by the name Ahmed Quraishi.
The lunatic AQ has posted one of his bull-shits again for the world to read and laugh. His posts have become some kind of joke. Who the hell is "our people in Kashmir", terrorists sent by Pakistan? That is the only logical answer to this loony question.
The next line is another of his idiotic fantasies - "This is a story of brave women and men, products of a great history, now contributing to the global march of civilization with pride, a unique history, and a glorious future." The Pak women, at least a majority of them are illiterate, veiled and suppressed by a medieval system and society dominated by male chauvinists. What great history does Pak have? Except one of violence and intolerance. Their only contribution to the world is exporting terror to civilized nations.
Jinnah was a westernized turncoat, a rank opportunist and a pork eater. http://www.paklinks.com/gs/pakistan-affairs/176367-jinnah-q-and-a-merged.html
The skeptics were right. Pakistan is not even a nation-state. Most of its territories are under the control of Taliban and other fundamentalist elements. The civilian government is a mere namesake. The power rests with the army. AQ and Pakis should wake up to reality and not live in a illusory world.
Thursday, August 12, 2010
Comments on Dialogue with a Giant
The following comments are in response to "Dialogue with a Giant" published in the Paki blog "Reality and Illusions"
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Jinnah should have been alive today to witness the "state" of the State that he created.
Jinnah's comments - "A ‘United India’ means a Hindu-dominated India. It means that and nothing else. Any other meaning you attempt to impose on it is mythical. ‘India’ is a British creation, it is merely a single administrative unit governed by a bureaucracy under the sanction of the sword. That is all. It is a paper creation, it has no basis in flesh and blood" and "A United India, is a British creation – a myth, and a very dangerous myth, which will cause endless strife" have not turned out to be true. The myth that he talked about became a reality. India survived, flourished and continues to flourish, notwithstanding the social ills, lop-sided distribution of wealth, and Pak-sponsored terror. Less said the better about Pak's achievements - not even worth repeating what its achievements are.
Indian Muslims have had fair representation in government - at least 3 of independent India's Presidents have been Muslims, several judges of the country's Supreme Court (including Chief Justices) and High Courts have been Muslims, entrpreneurs like Azim Premji (Wipro) and Allana are Muslims. The top cop of Mumbai during 26/11 was also a Muslim. The list is endless. So comments about dominance and repression can be used to further political purposes and nothing more. If Muslims are backward in India, it is largely due to the clergy-the mullas, etc who desire to exercise control over illiterate and ignorant masses.
Sakib Ahmad said...
The only comments that have ever been deleted here contained abusive language. I have kept a couple of your abusive comments so people can see your inner state of visceral hatred for Pakistan and its people.
Time has proved Jinnah right. The massacre of Muslims in Gujrat and continued repression of the worst sort in Kashmir - PLEASE REFER TO AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, no doubt a hard-core Muslim organisation to you! - and the general sorry state of the Muslim population in India speak volumes about Jinnah's vision of the future of Muslims in India.
Apart from the question of Muslims, be honest and tell us how many insurgencies are going on in India at the moment! The false propaganda you are trying to put up here is getting very tedious. Don't forget I am able to talk to expatriate Indian Muslims first hand in the UK. The examples of successful Muslims that you quote are simply the exceptions that prove the rule. The president is simply a figurehead with no real power. Now, if a Muslim became the Prime Minister of India then that would be something!
The real tragedy of Pakistan today is that it bears no resemblance to the country envisioned by Jinnah all those years ago. One purpose of this blog is to spread awareness among Pakistanis of how far we have moved from the position we should have occupied.
August 12, 2010 10:24 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Blogger, I simply don’t care whether you retain or delete my comments. As stated earlier, if blogs contain half-baked nonsense and distortions, the blogger must be ready to receive not so civilized comments (including abuses). Insofar as hatred is concerned, the Indians have merely reciprocated the hatred that has stemmed from Pak since the time of independence. Notwithstanding this hatred from your country-men, Mr. Blogger, Indians continue to play host to Pak artistes like Ghulam Ali, Abida Parveen and Rahat fateh Ali Khan. It is in Pak, that there is a move to ban Bollywood movies. It is time that bloggers like you had a re-look at the allegations that you level against Indians and India.
Gujarat happened a few years back. It hogs the limelight because minorities were killed. What about the Kashmiri Pandits who were killed by Pak-sponsored jihadis, Mr. Blogger? That was ethnic cleansing. This is the typical hypocritical Pak attitude – ignore or justify killings of innocents in Kashmir as freedom struggle and portray killings of Muslims elsewhere as carnage. And where Muslims are accused of terror and killings and violence, float conspiracy theories that these acts are aimed at maligning Islam. Since independence, it is the Muslims who have been the main culprits who have perpetrated riots and communal disturbances, not the majority community. It is inherent and intrinsic to their nature. In almost all trouble spots from Philippines to Africa, it is Muslims who carry out terrorist attacks, not Christians, Jews or Hindus. Violence is ingrained in their behaviour.
Well, the President may be a figurehead, to put it in your language, but remember, Presidents like Dr. Abdul Kalam, Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Radhakrishnan could not be pressurized. They were pretty independent as Presidents. A Muslim if capable and competent may become Prime Minister of India. Already a Sikh is a PM of the country. But, can a person other than a Muslim dream of becoming a President or PM? Pakis(tanis) do not have any locus standi to pass judgments on our system. Before questioning India and Indians who are more secular than the entire Muslim community, please ask what rights do Hindus have in theocratic Pakistan? Your country is in self-destruction mode with Muslims butchering Muslims (Sunnis killing Shiites, Ahmediyyas, etc) and where possible attacking a few Hindus who are left over. This is the mentality of the typical Muslim which can never change.
Pak should stop preaching to India about Kashmir and mind their own problems in Baluchistan (where genuine freedom fighters like Bugti have been murdered in cold blood), NWFP and Sindh. If and only if, had Pak concentrated on development and economy, rather than bleeding India, Jinnah's dreams of Islamic Pakistan could have been justified. Unfortunately whether the blogger likes it or not, Pakistan is today a hopelessly FAILED STATE.
August 12, 2010 9:26 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Blogger, I simply don’t care whether you retain or delete my comments. As stated earlier, if blogs contain half-baked nonsense and distortions, the blogger must be ready to receive not so civilized comments (including abuses). Insofar as hatred is concerned, the Indians have merely reciprocated the hatred that has stemmed from Pak since the time of independence. Notwithstanding this hatred from your country-men, Mr. Blogger, Indians continue to play host to Pak artistes like Ghulam Ali, Abida Parveen and Rahat fateh Ali Khan. It is in Pak, that there is a move to ban Bollywood movies. It is time that bloggers like you had a re-look at the allegations that you level against Indians and India.
Gujarat happened a few years back. It hogs the limelight because minorities were killed. What about the Kashmiri Pandits who were killed by Pak-sponsored jihadis, Mr. Blogger? That was ethnic cleansing. This is the typical hypocritical Pak attitude – ignore or justify killings of innocents in Kashmir as freedom struggle and portray killings of Muslims elsewhere as carnage. And where Muslims are accused of terror and killings and violence, float conspiracy theories that these acts are aimed at maligning Islam. Since independence, it is the Muslims who have been the main culprits who have perpetrated riots and communal disturbances, not the majority community. It is inherent and intrinsic to their nature. In almost all trouble spots from Philippines to Africa, it is Muslims who carry out terrorist attacks, not Christians, Jews or Hindus. Violence is ingrained in their behaviour.
Well, the President may be a figurehead, to put it in your language, but remember, Presidents like Dr. Abdul Kalam, Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Radhakrishnan could not be pressurized. They were pretty independent as Presidents. A Muslim if capable and competent may become Prime Minister of India. Already a Sikh is a PM of the country. But, can a person other than a Muslim dream of becoming a President or PM? Pakis(tanis) do not have any locus standi to pass judgments on our system. Before questioning India and Indians who are more secular than the entire Muslim community, please ask what rights do Hindus have in theocratic Pakistan? Your country is in self-destruction mode with Muslims butchering Muslims (Sunnis killing Shiites, Ahmediyyas, etc) and where possible attacking a few Hindus who are left over. This is the mentality of the typical Muslim which can never change.
Pak should stop preaching to India about Kashmir and mind their own problems in Baluchistan (where genuine freedom fighters like Bugti have been murdered in cold blood), NWFP and Sindh. If and only if, had Pak concentrated on development and economy, rather than bleeding India, Jinnah's dreams of Islamic Pakistan could have been justified. Unfortunately whether the blogger likes it or not, Pakistan is today a hopelessly FAILED STATE.
August 13, 2010 7:55 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
You spend so much of your time writing comments and you don't care if they are retained or deleted! Is it your way of admitting that your one-sided propaganda is worthless? Actually, it deceives no one. At a time when Pakistan is drowning in floods I have more important things to do than to engage in futile debates.
The truth is that the armies and the secret agencies of most countries live by sub-human values. The pride of place is occupied by the USA/CIA and Israel/Mossad but most countries are complicit in trampling human values underfoot. This blog has heavily criticised Pakistan army/ISI. Below is a BBC report filed by a Hindu reporter in Indian occupied Kashmir - this will help you see the ugly face of Indian army/RAW.
SOUTH ASIA
16 August 2010 Last updated at 02:30
The angry housewives setting Kashmir ablaze
By Soutik Biswas
BBC News, Srinagar
Whenever there are protests demanding "freedom from India" in her crowded neighbourhood in Srinagar, Firdousi Farooq makes a point of participating, her four-year-old son in tow.
Joining such demonstrations in Indian-administered Kashmir these days is fraught with risks.Security forces have often fired on stone-pelting protesters, killing over 50 people, mostly teenagers, in the past two months as the valley has been convulsed by what most locals call a fierce peoples' "uprising" against India.
So what makes a mother of three hit the angry streets of Kashmir?
Ms Farooq's eldest son, Wamiq, was killed in January when a tear gas shell fired by the police exploded on his head. The 14-year-old top-of-the-class student, who loved watching cartoons and dreamed of becoming a doctor, had stepped out for a game of cricket.
The police report describes him as a "miscreant who was part of an unlawful assembly", at which the forces had fired tear gas shells in self-defence. Very few - including his neighbours, lawyers and journalists - believe this.
[BBC news story continues in the next comment]
Sakib Ahmad said...
... BBC news story continues:
'SUBJUGATION'
Sitting in her home in the crowded old city, Ms Farooq says she had decided to hit the streets after her son's "murder".
Why should I not protest? Why should I not pick up a stone? I am doing this in the honour of my martyred son. I am doing this for azadi (freedom) from subjugation and repression," she says defiantly.
Firdousi Farooq is just another addition to the burgeoning army of women who have been taking part in the protests in Kashmir this summer. You see them on the streets; you see them in the pictures. Young and old, middle-class and poor, mostly dressed in floral tunics, they defy the armed forces, pelting stones at them, shouting slogans and singing anti-India songs. When night falls, some of them even lead protests with their children.
Out of more than 50 people killed in the latest round of violence, three have been women.
Yasmeen Jan, 25, was standing near a window inside her house in Batamaloo on 6 July, watching a demonstration wind by when she was hit by a bullet allegedly fired by security forces.
"Mummy maey aaw heartas fire" (Mummy, my heart has taken fire), she told her mother, turning away from the window, before collapsing on the floor, dead.
Fifteen-year-old Afroza Teli took a bullet in her head during a protest demonstration in Khrew village in Pulwana district on 1 August. She died later in Srinagar. Angry Kashmiris set fire to an irrigation office, a revenue office and a court building after her death. A police station and a police vehicle were also set on fire.
Aisha Shiekh, a 55-year-old housewife and resident of Srinagar, was allegedly hit by a stone flung from a sling shot by the security forces when she was walking with her granddaughter to buy milk on 7 August. She died from her wounds a day later.
This is not the first time that women in Kashmir have come out in droves to protest, but their numbers and impact appear to be greater than ever before.
"This time the intensity of protests by women is more. You can also see more women protesting. Women have borne the brunt of the Kashmir conflict, and it is not surprising that they are at the end of their tether," says Kashmiri journalist Afsana Rashid.
.... continues ...
August 16, 2010 9:55 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
RAPE
As Bashir Ahmed Dabla, who teaches sociology at Kashmir University says, Kashmir's women have "seen their children husbands and fathers being killed in the conflict, and routinely humiliated by the security forces".
Studies have shown there are up to 32,000 widows of the two-decade-long conflict in the Kashmir valley, and nearly 100,000 orphans. Another 10,000 men have allegedly disappeared during the conflict, says a rights group. Then there are some 400 "half-widows", whose husbands disappeared in the custody of troops or police. Women have also been the target of rape by the security forces.
"Women have been compelled to come out and protest because of the injustice and repression," says Professor Dabla.
Parveena Ahangar, a softly spoken housewife turned feisty activist, has been making a regular trek from her Gangbugh residence to the city's downtown every month, to protest against the disappearances during the conflict.
Ms Ahangar's son Javed was 16 when he was picked up by security forces in 1990 from the family home. He never returned. The indefatigable woman has travelled around the world to highlight her cause, leaving behind her husband, debilitated and out of work after 10 surgeries, and her remaining three children, including a daughter.
"As long as I am alive, my struggle will go on. I want a simple answer from the authorities: Where did these men go?"
The coming out of women in the Muslim-dominated Kashmir valley has been helped by the fact that they have been traditionally freer than their counterparts in many parts of the world. They have not observed the purdah, or faced religious or cultural segregation from men, say sociologists. Men and women have always worked in the farms together, prayed side by side in mosques and participated in religious congregations.
KEY ROLE
They have traditionally played an important role in the neighbourhood citizens' committees, preparing food for their protesting menfolk and taking the injured to hospitals. The pro-freedom movement has also thrown up a number of women leaders - both fundamentalists and liberals.
"Kashmiri women are among the most politicised women in the subcontinent," says Professor Dabla.
Zaitun Khan, a 20-something homemaker, is one of them - she remembers participating in "peaceful" protests when she was in college, but is now determined to hit the streets to demand freedom. Her brother Fayaz Ahmed Wani, who worked as a labourer in the floriculture department of the government, was hit by a bullet fired by the forces and killed while on his way to work on 6 July.
Mr Wani was 29, and left behind his wife and two daughters.
"I will go and join the protests now," says Ms Khan.
"He never protested or threw a stone in his life. But he died. How many more men will have to die? I want to go out and protest and demand freedom. Freedom to live."
August 16, 2010 9:57 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Yes Mr. Blogger, I don't care if my comments are deleted because the very same comments can be read at pakistansnemesis.blogspot.com.
Mr. Blogger, try to use some common sense - Pak has made it impossible for Kashmir and Kashmiris to have peace. When law and order is disturbed as it is today, rights and freedoms are bound to be curtailed. Are these rights available to the common man in your country when say there is an operation against enemies of the state? The answer is no. Thanks to pak's perfidy, India is forced to have a large concentration of troops. Secondly, Kashmir is a state which has borders with two enemy states, viz. your beloved motherland and its master China.
To put it very bluntly, excesses are bound to happen when a state is in the midst of perrenial terror, particularly when it is sponsored by your beloved motherland. You may give any number of instances of excesses which may or may not be even true. We as a nation can deal with the situation in Kashmir if those across the borders will keep their hands off. And one thing is certain, if Pak even nurses a belief that India will cede even an inch of Kashmir, I think it is rather stupid and utopian. India would rather combat Pak than give an inch to Pak. I think Pak should deal with its own problems - BTW One-fifth of Pak is under water and there is a serious shortage of essential commodities - instead of fomenting trouble in India and Kashmir.
August 17, 2010 10:45 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Blogger, do not waste your time countering my comments. Certainly, you should be busy dealing with the flood situation. But all the same, in typical PAKISTANI fashion, you have taken the pains of reproducing stories/reports from BBC, which otherwise Pak and your esteemed countrymen tends to condemn as being propaganda material. How very hypocritical!
August 17, 2010 11:02 AM
theterrorland said...
Well done, guys. I really enjoyed this dialogue.
August 18, 2010 5:25 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Guys guys, stop fighting, we Pakistanis have a big task ahead of us. Karachi, Quetta, Peshawar are all bleeding.
Hafiz Said is saying flooding is because of our sins.
Please pray for Pakistan Army
August 21, 2010 4:35 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Moin,
The rampaging gentleman is not a Pakistani! He just hates us: we are all devils and there reside angels across the eastern border, who are permitted to commit the most despicable acts without losing their angelic badge!!
August 24, 2010 8:13 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Well, the devils from across the Eastern border offered aid for the Pak angels who were badly affected by the floods, which aid was refused because of the deep affection that exists. Subsequently, very reluctantly and after much hullabaloo and under US pressure Pakis did a great favour in accepting the aid.
When Pak was struck by a devastating earthquake a few years back, the angelic Pakis were given blankets by the evil Indians. And guess what, the blankets were torn up. So much for Paki love and affection.
The Eastern neighbour should have told Pak to go to hell instead of forcing the aid down its throat much against its wishes. And talking about despicable acts, the Blogger should look at his own countrymen's attitude, demeanor and acts of terror committed world-wide in the name of a religion before pointing fingers at others.
August 26, 2010 12:30 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Jinnah should have been alive today to witness the "state" of the State that he created.
Jinnah's comments - "A ‘United India’ means a Hindu-dominated India. It means that and nothing else. Any other meaning you attempt to impose on it is mythical. ‘India’ is a British creation, it is merely a single administrative unit governed by a bureaucracy under the sanction of the sword. That is all. It is a paper creation, it has no basis in flesh and blood" and "A United India, is a British creation – a myth, and a very dangerous myth, which will cause endless strife" have not turned out to be true. The myth that he talked about became a reality. India survived, flourished and continues to flourish, notwithstanding the social ills, lop-sided distribution of wealth, and Pak-sponsored terror. Less said the better about Pak's achievements - not even worth repeating what its achievements are.
Indian Muslims have had fair representation in government - at least 3 of independent India's Presidents have been Muslims, several judges of the country's Supreme Court (including Chief Justices) and High Courts have been Muslims, entrpreneurs like Azim Premji (Wipro) and Allana are Muslims. The top cop of Mumbai during 26/11 was also a Muslim. The list is endless. So comments about dominance and repression can be used to further political purposes and nothing more. If Muslims are backward in India, it is largely due to the clergy-the mullas, etc who desire to exercise control over illiterate and ignorant masses.
Sakib Ahmad said...
The only comments that have ever been deleted here contained abusive language. I have kept a couple of your abusive comments so people can see your inner state of visceral hatred for Pakistan and its people.
Time has proved Jinnah right. The massacre of Muslims in Gujrat and continued repression of the worst sort in Kashmir - PLEASE REFER TO AMNESTY INTERNATIONAL, no doubt a hard-core Muslim organisation to you! - and the general sorry state of the Muslim population in India speak volumes about Jinnah's vision of the future of Muslims in India.
Apart from the question of Muslims, be honest and tell us how many insurgencies are going on in India at the moment! The false propaganda you are trying to put up here is getting very tedious. Don't forget I am able to talk to expatriate Indian Muslims first hand in the UK. The examples of successful Muslims that you quote are simply the exceptions that prove the rule. The president is simply a figurehead with no real power. Now, if a Muslim became the Prime Minister of India then that would be something!
The real tragedy of Pakistan today is that it bears no resemblance to the country envisioned by Jinnah all those years ago. One purpose of this blog is to spread awareness among Pakistanis of how far we have moved from the position we should have occupied.
August 12, 2010 10:24 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Blogger, I simply don’t care whether you retain or delete my comments. As stated earlier, if blogs contain half-baked nonsense and distortions, the blogger must be ready to receive not so civilized comments (including abuses). Insofar as hatred is concerned, the Indians have merely reciprocated the hatred that has stemmed from Pak since the time of independence. Notwithstanding this hatred from your country-men, Mr. Blogger, Indians continue to play host to Pak artistes like Ghulam Ali, Abida Parveen and Rahat fateh Ali Khan. It is in Pak, that there is a move to ban Bollywood movies. It is time that bloggers like you had a re-look at the allegations that you level against Indians and India.
Gujarat happened a few years back. It hogs the limelight because minorities were killed. What about the Kashmiri Pandits who were killed by Pak-sponsored jihadis, Mr. Blogger? That was ethnic cleansing. This is the typical hypocritical Pak attitude – ignore or justify killings of innocents in Kashmir as freedom struggle and portray killings of Muslims elsewhere as carnage. And where Muslims are accused of terror and killings and violence, float conspiracy theories that these acts are aimed at maligning Islam. Since independence, it is the Muslims who have been the main culprits who have perpetrated riots and communal disturbances, not the majority community. It is inherent and intrinsic to their nature. In almost all trouble spots from Philippines to Africa, it is Muslims who carry out terrorist attacks, not Christians, Jews or Hindus. Violence is ingrained in their behaviour.
Well, the President may be a figurehead, to put it in your language, but remember, Presidents like Dr. Abdul Kalam, Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Radhakrishnan could not be pressurized. They were pretty independent as Presidents. A Muslim if capable and competent may become Prime Minister of India. Already a Sikh is a PM of the country. But, can a person other than a Muslim dream of becoming a President or PM? Pakis(tanis) do not have any locus standi to pass judgments on our system. Before questioning India and Indians who are more secular than the entire Muslim community, please ask what rights do Hindus have in theocratic Pakistan? Your country is in self-destruction mode with Muslims butchering Muslims (Sunnis killing Shiites, Ahmediyyas, etc) and where possible attacking a few Hindus who are left over. This is the mentality of the typical Muslim which can never change.
Pak should stop preaching to India about Kashmir and mind their own problems in Baluchistan (where genuine freedom fighters like Bugti have been murdered in cold blood), NWFP and Sindh. If and only if, had Pak concentrated on development and economy, rather than bleeding India, Jinnah's dreams of Islamic Pakistan could have been justified. Unfortunately whether the blogger likes it or not, Pakistan is today a hopelessly FAILED STATE.
August 12, 2010 9:26 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Blogger, I simply don’t care whether you retain or delete my comments. As stated earlier, if blogs contain half-baked nonsense and distortions, the blogger must be ready to receive not so civilized comments (including abuses). Insofar as hatred is concerned, the Indians have merely reciprocated the hatred that has stemmed from Pak since the time of independence. Notwithstanding this hatred from your country-men, Mr. Blogger, Indians continue to play host to Pak artistes like Ghulam Ali, Abida Parveen and Rahat fateh Ali Khan. It is in Pak, that there is a move to ban Bollywood movies. It is time that bloggers like you had a re-look at the allegations that you level against Indians and India.
Gujarat happened a few years back. It hogs the limelight because minorities were killed. What about the Kashmiri Pandits who were killed by Pak-sponsored jihadis, Mr. Blogger? That was ethnic cleansing. This is the typical hypocritical Pak attitude – ignore or justify killings of innocents in Kashmir as freedom struggle and portray killings of Muslims elsewhere as carnage. And where Muslims are accused of terror and killings and violence, float conspiracy theories that these acts are aimed at maligning Islam. Since independence, it is the Muslims who have been the main culprits who have perpetrated riots and communal disturbances, not the majority community. It is inherent and intrinsic to their nature. In almost all trouble spots from Philippines to Africa, it is Muslims who carry out terrorist attacks, not Christians, Jews or Hindus. Violence is ingrained in their behaviour.
Well, the President may be a figurehead, to put it in your language, but remember, Presidents like Dr. Abdul Kalam, Dr. Zakir Hussain and Dr. Radhakrishnan could not be pressurized. They were pretty independent as Presidents. A Muslim if capable and competent may become Prime Minister of India. Already a Sikh is a PM of the country. But, can a person other than a Muslim dream of becoming a President or PM? Pakis(tanis) do not have any locus standi to pass judgments on our system. Before questioning India and Indians who are more secular than the entire Muslim community, please ask what rights do Hindus have in theocratic Pakistan? Your country is in self-destruction mode with Muslims butchering Muslims (Sunnis killing Shiites, Ahmediyyas, etc) and where possible attacking a few Hindus who are left over. This is the mentality of the typical Muslim which can never change.
Pak should stop preaching to India about Kashmir and mind their own problems in Baluchistan (where genuine freedom fighters like Bugti have been murdered in cold blood), NWFP and Sindh. If and only if, had Pak concentrated on development and economy, rather than bleeding India, Jinnah's dreams of Islamic Pakistan could have been justified. Unfortunately whether the blogger likes it or not, Pakistan is today a hopelessly FAILED STATE.
August 13, 2010 7:55 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
You spend so much of your time writing comments and you don't care if they are retained or deleted! Is it your way of admitting that your one-sided propaganda is worthless? Actually, it deceives no one. At a time when Pakistan is drowning in floods I have more important things to do than to engage in futile debates.
The truth is that the armies and the secret agencies of most countries live by sub-human values. The pride of place is occupied by the USA/CIA and Israel/Mossad but most countries are complicit in trampling human values underfoot. This blog has heavily criticised Pakistan army/ISI. Below is a BBC report filed by a Hindu reporter in Indian occupied Kashmir - this will help you see the ugly face of Indian army/RAW.
SOUTH ASIA
16 August 2010 Last updated at 02:30
The angry housewives setting Kashmir ablaze
By Soutik Biswas
BBC News, Srinagar
Whenever there are protests demanding "freedom from India" in her crowded neighbourhood in Srinagar, Firdousi Farooq makes a point of participating, her four-year-old son in tow.
Joining such demonstrations in Indian-administered Kashmir these days is fraught with risks.Security forces have often fired on stone-pelting protesters, killing over 50 people, mostly teenagers, in the past two months as the valley has been convulsed by what most locals call a fierce peoples' "uprising" against India.
So what makes a mother of three hit the angry streets of Kashmir?
Ms Farooq's eldest son, Wamiq, was killed in January when a tear gas shell fired by the police exploded on his head. The 14-year-old top-of-the-class student, who loved watching cartoons and dreamed of becoming a doctor, had stepped out for a game of cricket.
The police report describes him as a "miscreant who was part of an unlawful assembly", at which the forces had fired tear gas shells in self-defence. Very few - including his neighbours, lawyers and journalists - believe this.
[BBC news story continues in the next comment]
Sakib Ahmad said...
... BBC news story continues:
'SUBJUGATION'
Sitting in her home in the crowded old city, Ms Farooq says she had decided to hit the streets after her son's "murder".
Why should I not protest? Why should I not pick up a stone? I am doing this in the honour of my martyred son. I am doing this for azadi (freedom) from subjugation and repression," she says defiantly.
Firdousi Farooq is just another addition to the burgeoning army of women who have been taking part in the protests in Kashmir this summer. You see them on the streets; you see them in the pictures. Young and old, middle-class and poor, mostly dressed in floral tunics, they defy the armed forces, pelting stones at them, shouting slogans and singing anti-India songs. When night falls, some of them even lead protests with their children.
Out of more than 50 people killed in the latest round of violence, three have been women.
Yasmeen Jan, 25, was standing near a window inside her house in Batamaloo on 6 July, watching a demonstration wind by when she was hit by a bullet allegedly fired by security forces.
"Mummy maey aaw heartas fire" (Mummy, my heart has taken fire), she told her mother, turning away from the window, before collapsing on the floor, dead.
Fifteen-year-old Afroza Teli took a bullet in her head during a protest demonstration in Khrew village in Pulwana district on 1 August. She died later in Srinagar. Angry Kashmiris set fire to an irrigation office, a revenue office and a court building after her death. A police station and a police vehicle were also set on fire.
Aisha Shiekh, a 55-year-old housewife and resident of Srinagar, was allegedly hit by a stone flung from a sling shot by the security forces when she was walking with her granddaughter to buy milk on 7 August. She died from her wounds a day later.
This is not the first time that women in Kashmir have come out in droves to protest, but their numbers and impact appear to be greater than ever before.
"This time the intensity of protests by women is more. You can also see more women protesting. Women have borne the brunt of the Kashmir conflict, and it is not surprising that they are at the end of their tether," says Kashmiri journalist Afsana Rashid.
.... continues ...
August 16, 2010 9:55 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
RAPE
As Bashir Ahmed Dabla, who teaches sociology at Kashmir University says, Kashmir's women have "seen their children husbands and fathers being killed in the conflict, and routinely humiliated by the security forces".
Studies have shown there are up to 32,000 widows of the two-decade-long conflict in the Kashmir valley, and nearly 100,000 orphans. Another 10,000 men have allegedly disappeared during the conflict, says a rights group. Then there are some 400 "half-widows", whose husbands disappeared in the custody of troops or police. Women have also been the target of rape by the security forces.
"Women have been compelled to come out and protest because of the injustice and repression," says Professor Dabla.
Parveena Ahangar, a softly spoken housewife turned feisty activist, has been making a regular trek from her Gangbugh residence to the city's downtown every month, to protest against the disappearances during the conflict.
Ms Ahangar's son Javed was 16 when he was picked up by security forces in 1990 from the family home. He never returned. The indefatigable woman has travelled around the world to highlight her cause, leaving behind her husband, debilitated and out of work after 10 surgeries, and her remaining three children, including a daughter.
"As long as I am alive, my struggle will go on. I want a simple answer from the authorities: Where did these men go?"
The coming out of women in the Muslim-dominated Kashmir valley has been helped by the fact that they have been traditionally freer than their counterparts in many parts of the world. They have not observed the purdah, or faced religious or cultural segregation from men, say sociologists. Men and women have always worked in the farms together, prayed side by side in mosques and participated in religious congregations.
KEY ROLE
They have traditionally played an important role in the neighbourhood citizens' committees, preparing food for their protesting menfolk and taking the injured to hospitals. The pro-freedom movement has also thrown up a number of women leaders - both fundamentalists and liberals.
"Kashmiri women are among the most politicised women in the subcontinent," says Professor Dabla.
Zaitun Khan, a 20-something homemaker, is one of them - she remembers participating in "peaceful" protests when she was in college, but is now determined to hit the streets to demand freedom. Her brother Fayaz Ahmed Wani, who worked as a labourer in the floriculture department of the government, was hit by a bullet fired by the forces and killed while on his way to work on 6 July.
Mr Wani was 29, and left behind his wife and two daughters.
"I will go and join the protests now," says Ms Khan.
"He never protested or threw a stone in his life. But he died. How many more men will have to die? I want to go out and protest and demand freedom. Freedom to live."
August 16, 2010 9:57 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Yes Mr. Blogger, I don't care if my comments are deleted because the very same comments can be read at pakistansnemesis.blogspot.com.
Mr. Blogger, try to use some common sense - Pak has made it impossible for Kashmir and Kashmiris to have peace. When law and order is disturbed as it is today, rights and freedoms are bound to be curtailed. Are these rights available to the common man in your country when say there is an operation against enemies of the state? The answer is no. Thanks to pak's perfidy, India is forced to have a large concentration of troops. Secondly, Kashmir is a state which has borders with two enemy states, viz. your beloved motherland and its master China.
To put it very bluntly, excesses are bound to happen when a state is in the midst of perrenial terror, particularly when it is sponsored by your beloved motherland. You may give any number of instances of excesses which may or may not be even true. We as a nation can deal with the situation in Kashmir if those across the borders will keep their hands off. And one thing is certain, if Pak even nurses a belief that India will cede even an inch of Kashmir, I think it is rather stupid and utopian. India would rather combat Pak than give an inch to Pak. I think Pak should deal with its own problems - BTW One-fifth of Pak is under water and there is a serious shortage of essential commodities - instead of fomenting trouble in India and Kashmir.
August 17, 2010 10:45 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Mr. Blogger, do not waste your time countering my comments. Certainly, you should be busy dealing with the flood situation. But all the same, in typical PAKISTANI fashion, you have taken the pains of reproducing stories/reports from BBC, which otherwise Pak and your esteemed countrymen tends to condemn as being propaganda material. How very hypocritical!
August 17, 2010 11:02 AM
theterrorland said...
Well done, guys. I really enjoyed this dialogue.
August 18, 2010 5:25 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Guys guys, stop fighting, we Pakistanis have a big task ahead of us. Karachi, Quetta, Peshawar are all bleeding.
Hafiz Said is saying flooding is because of our sins.
Please pray for Pakistan Army
August 21, 2010 4:35 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Moin,
The rampaging gentleman is not a Pakistani! He just hates us: we are all devils and there reside angels across the eastern border, who are permitted to commit the most despicable acts without losing their angelic badge!!
August 24, 2010 8:13 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Well, the devils from across the Eastern border offered aid for the Pak angels who were badly affected by the floods, which aid was refused because of the deep affection that exists. Subsequently, very reluctantly and after much hullabaloo and under US pressure Pakis did a great favour in accepting the aid.
When Pak was struck by a devastating earthquake a few years back, the angelic Pakis were given blankets by the evil Indians. And guess what, the blankets were torn up. So much for Paki love and affection.
The Eastern neighbour should have told Pak to go to hell instead of forcing the aid down its throat much against its wishes. And talking about despicable acts, the Blogger should look at his own countrymen's attitude, demeanor and acts of terror committed world-wide in the name of a religion before pointing fingers at others.
August 26, 2010 12:30 PM
Wednesday, August 4, 2010
Terrorising Pakistan: part 2
The following comments are in response to Terrorising Pakistan: part 2
A guest post by Asif Haroon Raja again published in Reality and Illusions on 27th July 2010
(Author's Note: The Pakis both in Pakistan and outside are quite enamoured by poverty in India, ignorant of their own poverty and lack of development and the film Slumdog Millionaire, which is referred to in the comments below. They have turned a blind eye to the problems within their own country while falsely accusing India of machinations. Pakis both within and without must realise that their country faces an existential threat, largely due to the faulty policies adopted by their military leaders, the de facto rulers of Pakistan).
Anonymous said...
Travel to India, please... it will open your eyes.
You may eventually understand why the rest of the world will not even waste its spit on the failed state of Porkistan....
July 30, 2010 2:22 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Good idea this - to travel to India. People numbering several times the population of Pakistan living in abject poverty aren't exactly an impressive advertisement for India, are they?
I recommend that you see the film Slumdog Millionaire at your earliest opportunity - it will act as a rude eye opener for you.
Pakistan today bears no resemblance to the vision of Jinnah. Many sincere Pakistanis are striving to bring about change - only time will tell whether they fail or succeed. I hope to present the vision of the Quaid in his own words soon.
July 31, 2010 12:29 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Dear Sakib Bhai,
One of my cousins was abducted by Pakistan intelligence service and has not returned since then.
Was the plance crash at Margalla Hills, corruption by Ganja, AAZ, and the floods in AJK and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa all created by Mossad/RAW/CIA ?
We are being punished by Allah for our sins of encouraging terror and killing people in the name of Islam.
July 31, 2010 7:57 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
I am sorry to learn of the tragic disappearance of your cousin. There are thousands of others like him. In the preceding blog post there was a comment by Rehman, whose family has been hounded by Pakistan's secret agencies - you can read more at 'theterrorland' blog (just click on Rehman's name).
The Supreme Court seems powerless against the might of these agencies. In the circumstances, we can certainly protest individually but collective action will be more productive. I wonder if there is a way to write to General Kayani with thousands of signatures and ask him to order the agencies to either release the people they have abducted or try them in a Pakistani court. What the agencies are doing is quite simply unlawful.
Allah is certainly just. He has created a universe with unchanging laws. I agree with you that we have violated those laws and we are suffering the consequences. The solution is to bring about an inner revolution in ourselves and in our society.
Afraad ke haatho.n mein hai aqvaam ki taqdeer
Har fard hai millat ke muqaddar ka sitaara
Additionally, we also need to be aware of the nefarious activities of our enemies. It is in this context that we need to be on our guard against the USA-India-Israel nexus.
August 1, 2010 12:11 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The Blogger is free to delete any comment of mine. I don't give a damn if he introduced "moderation comment policy". If the Blogger continues to dish out half-baked nonsense, he must be ready to accept some not so-civilised language from readers. The Blogger is free to delete this comment as well.
India may have poverty and several social ills. At least it has a democracy which is functioning. No clergy and fatwas like Pakistan. No lawlessness like Pakistan. The Indian military plays the role of a sentinel, not a ruler as in Pakistan. Economically and industrially, it is far more advanced than Pak. It does not have to take a begging bowel to the US and back stab it in the form of support to terrorists like Al Qaeda and Taliban.
Bloggers sitting in the safety of England can afford to write propaganda pieces highlighting Pak’s so-called achievements and its “sincerity” in tackling terror. Please take a look at the British PM’s remarks indicting Pak. Moin’s case is one in a million probably which shows the true colors of Pak and its agencies, civilian and military. Pointing fingers at Hindu RAW for Pak ills hardly appear convincing.
August 1, 2010 7:51 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Ah! My good friend from across the border comes with another of his gems!
Dear me, David Cameron was too eager to confirm the truth underlying George Bernard Shaw's famous remark about the English being a nation of shopkeepers. He was quite simply disgusting - there is no other word. One Indian commentator crowed that the British once called India the jewel in the British crown but, judging from Cameron's comments, their ambition now seems to be to become the brightest jewel in India's crown!
I wonder when our visitor will cast aside his prejudices and learn to make comments on the basis of truth and justice. An excellent article, which presents the truth about Kashmir in a nutshell, can be read here:
http://thepeopleofpakistan.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/kashmir-–-the-dispute-that-continues-to-rock-south-asia/
Final word: just avoid abusive terms and your posts are safe from deletion!
August 4, 2010 6:46 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The truth, Mr. Blogger is something you guys whether residing in the terrorist state or outside of it do not wish to see. Pak's duplicity cannot be hidden behind a "veil" like faces. Wikileaks just lifted or should we say pierced the veil for the world to see. People like Moin above are the unfortunate victims of ISI, not RAW. I wish RAW had the means to destroy the terrorist infrastructure erected by Pak over the years.
Instead of harping about casting aside my prejudice, the Blogger ought to see what is the world opinion about Pak. There is unanimity that Pak is the epicenter of terrorism. Kashmir, Mr. Blogger, is a ruse to foment terrorism in India. Nobody in his proper frame of mind believes that resolving the K issue is going to herald an era of everlasting peace. There are enough terrorists in Pak military and outside of it who will come up with other issues to rock this region. Finally, whether you like it or not why is it that fundamentalists belonging to your religion create problem world-wide - from Philippines in the East to Africa and beyond? Are there no sane voices of moderation? You and your breathren need to sit down and reflect, before dishing out distortions in the name of facts and analysis.
Again, Mr. Blogger is free to delete my comments. A deletion reflects more about the Blogger's intolerance than about my opinion or choice of words.
August 4, 2010 7:21 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Readers of this blog can read the comments posted by me here on my blog -http://pakistansnemesis.blogspot.com/2010/08/impressions.html
August 4, 2010 11:41 AM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
I am amazed at this man's determination to turn himself into a pariah at this blog. I more amazed at the patience you show in dealing with him.
August 5, 2010 12:43 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Lost-in-cyberspace (probably forever)
It is Pak which is a pariah today. It is patience of the international community in dealing with Pak that is running out. And that is the most amazing thing. The Blogger at least shows some civility which is missing amongst most of your fellow country-men.
August 5, 2010 1:45 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Pakistan has become a main sponsor of terrorism and it is Allah which is telling us to change course
August 15, 2010 5:36 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
Pakistan's government and its army are not just supporters, they actually participate in acts of terrorism. Allah asks us in the Qur'an to resist and fight the oppressors. We need to clean up our government and our army and live as free and proud individuals who uphold human values as abundantly explained in the Qur'an.
We need to free ourselves from subjugation to home-grown tyrants as well as their foreign masters, who keep them in power because they serve them so well.
August 16, 2010 10:11 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Very rightly said Sakib, but at the same time Pakistan army MUST maintain vigil on eastern enemy
August 21, 2010 4:38 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Indeed! Pakistan's army is ours for all its faults. We must support it and, at the same time, clean it up.
Our internal divisions will simply play into the hands of the lurking presence across the eastern border, and the suffocating presence of Uncle Sam who already controls the hands holding the reins of power in Pakistan.
August 24, 2010 8:19 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What has the Paki Army done since the last sixty odd years except maintaining vigil and fomenting trouble along the Eastern border. While Pakistan's Western borders are literally chaotic, the focus of the Pakis continues to be on the Eastern borders. Absolutely moronic.
August 27, 2010 7:26 AM
A guest post by Asif Haroon Raja again published in Reality and Illusions on 27th July 2010
(Author's Note: The Pakis both in Pakistan and outside are quite enamoured by poverty in India, ignorant of their own poverty and lack of development and the film Slumdog Millionaire, which is referred to in the comments below. They have turned a blind eye to the problems within their own country while falsely accusing India of machinations. Pakis both within and without must realise that their country faces an existential threat, largely due to the faulty policies adopted by their military leaders, the de facto rulers of Pakistan).
Anonymous said...
Travel to India, please... it will open your eyes.
You may eventually understand why the rest of the world will not even waste its spit on the failed state of Porkistan....
July 30, 2010 2:22 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Good idea this - to travel to India. People numbering several times the population of Pakistan living in abject poverty aren't exactly an impressive advertisement for India, are they?
I recommend that you see the film Slumdog Millionaire at your earliest opportunity - it will act as a rude eye opener for you.
Pakistan today bears no resemblance to the vision of Jinnah. Many sincere Pakistanis are striving to bring about change - only time will tell whether they fail or succeed. I hope to present the vision of the Quaid in his own words soon.
July 31, 2010 12:29 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Dear Sakib Bhai,
One of my cousins was abducted by Pakistan intelligence service and has not returned since then.
Was the plance crash at Margalla Hills, corruption by Ganja, AAZ, and the floods in AJK and Khyber-Pakhtunkhwa all created by Mossad/RAW/CIA ?
We are being punished by Allah for our sins of encouraging terror and killing people in the name of Islam.
July 31, 2010 7:57 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
I am sorry to learn of the tragic disappearance of your cousin. There are thousands of others like him. In the preceding blog post there was a comment by Rehman, whose family has been hounded by Pakistan's secret agencies - you can read more at 'theterrorland' blog (just click on Rehman's name).
The Supreme Court seems powerless against the might of these agencies. In the circumstances, we can certainly protest individually but collective action will be more productive. I wonder if there is a way to write to General Kayani with thousands of signatures and ask him to order the agencies to either release the people they have abducted or try them in a Pakistani court. What the agencies are doing is quite simply unlawful.
Allah is certainly just. He has created a universe with unchanging laws. I agree with you that we have violated those laws and we are suffering the consequences. The solution is to bring about an inner revolution in ourselves and in our society.
Afraad ke haatho.n mein hai aqvaam ki taqdeer
Har fard hai millat ke muqaddar ka sitaara
Additionally, we also need to be aware of the nefarious activities of our enemies. It is in this context that we need to be on our guard against the USA-India-Israel nexus.
August 1, 2010 12:11 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The Blogger is free to delete any comment of mine. I don't give a damn if he introduced "moderation comment policy". If the Blogger continues to dish out half-baked nonsense, he must be ready to accept some not so-civilised language from readers. The Blogger is free to delete this comment as well.
India may have poverty and several social ills. At least it has a democracy which is functioning. No clergy and fatwas like Pakistan. No lawlessness like Pakistan. The Indian military plays the role of a sentinel, not a ruler as in Pakistan. Economically and industrially, it is far more advanced than Pak. It does not have to take a begging bowel to the US and back stab it in the form of support to terrorists like Al Qaeda and Taliban.
Bloggers sitting in the safety of England can afford to write propaganda pieces highlighting Pak’s so-called achievements and its “sincerity” in tackling terror. Please take a look at the British PM’s remarks indicting Pak. Moin’s case is one in a million probably which shows the true colors of Pak and its agencies, civilian and military. Pointing fingers at Hindu RAW for Pak ills hardly appear convincing.
August 1, 2010 7:51 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Ah! My good friend from across the border comes with another of his gems!
Dear me, David Cameron was too eager to confirm the truth underlying George Bernard Shaw's famous remark about the English being a nation of shopkeepers. He was quite simply disgusting - there is no other word. One Indian commentator crowed that the British once called India the jewel in the British crown but, judging from Cameron's comments, their ambition now seems to be to become the brightest jewel in India's crown!
I wonder when our visitor will cast aside his prejudices and learn to make comments on the basis of truth and justice. An excellent article, which presents the truth about Kashmir in a nutshell, can be read here:
http://thepeopleofpakistan.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/kashmir-–-the-dispute-that-continues-to-rock-south-asia/
Final word: just avoid abusive terms and your posts are safe from deletion!
August 4, 2010 6:46 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The truth, Mr. Blogger is something you guys whether residing in the terrorist state or outside of it do not wish to see. Pak's duplicity cannot be hidden behind a "veil" like faces. Wikileaks just lifted or should we say pierced the veil for the world to see. People like Moin above are the unfortunate victims of ISI, not RAW. I wish RAW had the means to destroy the terrorist infrastructure erected by Pak over the years.
Instead of harping about casting aside my prejudice, the Blogger ought to see what is the world opinion about Pak. There is unanimity that Pak is the epicenter of terrorism. Kashmir, Mr. Blogger, is a ruse to foment terrorism in India. Nobody in his proper frame of mind believes that resolving the K issue is going to herald an era of everlasting peace. There are enough terrorists in Pak military and outside of it who will come up with other issues to rock this region. Finally, whether you like it or not why is it that fundamentalists belonging to your religion create problem world-wide - from Philippines in the East to Africa and beyond? Are there no sane voices of moderation? You and your breathren need to sit down and reflect, before dishing out distortions in the name of facts and analysis.
Again, Mr. Blogger is free to delete my comments. A deletion reflects more about the Blogger's intolerance than about my opinion or choice of words.
August 4, 2010 7:21 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Readers of this blog can read the comments posted by me here on my blog -http://pakistansnemesis.blogspot.com/2010/08/impressions.html
August 4, 2010 11:41 AM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
I am amazed at this man's determination to turn himself into a pariah at this blog. I more amazed at the patience you show in dealing with him.
August 5, 2010 12:43 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Lost-in-cyberspace (probably forever)
It is Pak which is a pariah today. It is patience of the international community in dealing with Pak that is running out. And that is the most amazing thing. The Blogger at least shows some civility which is missing amongst most of your fellow country-men.
August 5, 2010 1:45 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Pakistan has become a main sponsor of terrorism and it is Allah which is telling us to change course
August 15, 2010 5:36 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
Pakistan's government and its army are not just supporters, they actually participate in acts of terrorism. Allah asks us in the Qur'an to resist and fight the oppressors. We need to clean up our government and our army and live as free and proud individuals who uphold human values as abundantly explained in the Qur'an.
We need to free ourselves from subjugation to home-grown tyrants as well as their foreign masters, who keep them in power because they serve them so well.
August 16, 2010 10:11 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Very rightly said Sakib, but at the same time Pakistan army MUST maintain vigil on eastern enemy
August 21, 2010 4:38 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Indeed! Pakistan's army is ours for all its faults. We must support it and, at the same time, clean it up.
Our internal divisions will simply play into the hands of the lurking presence across the eastern border, and the suffocating presence of Uncle Sam who already controls the hands holding the reins of power in Pakistan.
August 24, 2010 8:19 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What has the Paki Army done since the last sixty odd years except maintaining vigil and fomenting trouble along the Eastern border. While Pakistan's Western borders are literally chaotic, the focus of the Pakis continues to be on the Eastern borders. Absolutely moronic.
August 27, 2010 7:26 AM
Comments on Terrorising Pakistan
Impressions are in response to a Paki blog "Reality and Illusions" by a blogger Sakib Ahmad who resides in the safety and comfort of UK and accuses India and the West of fomenting terror in Pakistan - nay accuses India and the West for almost all the ills plaguing Pakistan. Since this blogger, like all his fellow Pakis do not tolerate criticism, I thought it best to publish my comments in my own blog. The comments are in response to the blog "Terrorising Pakistan - A conspiracy of silence" which was published on 14th July 2010.
"I tried to preach and sermonise in my earlier comment. I realised my folly because you are one of those sick and evil minded guys who believe that 9/11, 26/11 were staged managed. People like you are not even fit to be kept in lunatic asylums, but in Gitmo like camps. No - deserve to be shot.
July 17, 2010 10:11 AM "
Sakib Ahmad said...
There is a gentleman who wears the mask of "Pakistan's Nemesis" - he is consumed with burning hatred for all Pakistanis. The kind of comments he likes to spew out can be seen from the example above.
Everyone, irrespective of what opinions he/she holds, is welcome to comment at my blog provided the comments are based on facts and are well argued. Ignorance breeds blind prejudice which destroys all that is beautiful in human nature.
Al-Qur'an teaches us that all humanity is ONE community and we should all live in harmony and show tolerance towards each other. This blog only criticises governments and powerful vested interests or named individuals. The Pakistan government, its military and its secret agencies are just as heavily criticised as the machinations of the USA and Indian governments.
We must seek justice for the whole of mankind - the sentiment "my country right or wrong" is an evil slogan, which makes us follow the plots of deceitful politicians under the mistaken impression that we are being "patriotic".
To the masked "Pakistan's Nemesis": brother, 9/11 was staged but NOT 26/11 - remember the UK is very dissimilar to the USA. Please do try to learn the truth about 9/11 - there is abundant information on the internet and in book form. Just ask yourself one simple question: why did the Bush administration quickly destroy the evidence after the tragedy?
July 17, 2010 10:43 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakistanis will get back what they themselves preach. If Pak preaches hatered of the West and India, then people will like me will do the same. Pak school syllabus contains so much of hatred directed against India and other so-called infidels that it is impossible for any Paki to have any love or respect for an Indian or a Westerner.
As far as the Quranic teaching is concerned, please ask your Taliban/ Wahabbi/Salafi/Ahle Hadith friends for the intepretation. Today your religion is the most distorted, thanks to an Islamised Pak society subscribing to one or the other extreme forms of Islam mentioned above. Can you get your fellow countrymen to shun this distortion and get back to the path of righteousness? The answer is NO.
July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
There is an element of truth in what you say. I am one of those who think we need a nation-wide struggle against our priest class. You might like to read the following blog posts on the subject of Islam:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/06/islam-reality-beyond-time-and-space.html
By the way, in the comments above, "26/11" should have read "7/7" (I assume you are referring to the UK terrorist attack on 7 July 2005).
July 17, 2010 11:48 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
No. I was referring to 26/11 Mumbai which was perpetrated by LeT in which several Jews and nationals from Western countries were killed. Pak media extensively reported this to be a conspiracy hatched by Zionists and Indian intelligence. The uncovering of the plot that followed later is only too well known.
I am not against clerics or the priestly class as a whole. There are religious scholars (whose voices are rarely heard) who preach tolerance, peace, etc. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan is one such example. I am against only those who distort religion and use it to preach hatred and violence.
July 17, 2010 11:57 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Thanks for your comments on the Mumbai atrocity. You say, “The uncovering of the plot that followed later is only too well known”. Can you elaborate on that?
I understand that the evidence relating to the crime that the Indian government has presented to the Pakistani government consists of “dossiers” based on Ajmal Kassab’s confession under interrogation by the Indian police. Access to Ajmal Kassab has been denied to the Pakistani authorities. The Pakistani courts have declared the evidence inadmissible because of the possibility of having extracted the confession under torture. Can you tell me the nature of the evidence that the Indian police had presented in the Indian court that tried and sentenced Ajmal Kassab?
I would also like to know your take on the death of Inspector Hemant Karkare, the Anti-Terrorism Squad chief, who was killed on 26 November 2008. His widow, Kavita, has made some pretty serious allegations. Also, a former inspector general of police in Maharashtra, S M Mushrif, has written a book “Who killed Karkare? – The real face of terrorism in India”, which deals with the “conspiracy behind the murder of Hemant Karkare”. I have not read the book but I would like to know what you think of Mushrif’s revelations
I have just googled briefly and found the following links:
http://www.hardnewsmedia.com/2010/06/3562
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20091112200911120348328123eac926b/Karkare’s-bulletvest-disappears.html?pageno=4
http://spookterror.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-killed-hemant-karkare.html
This article makes reference to the massacre in Samjhota Express. Do you have any comments on this act of terrorism?
July 17, 2010 6:42 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
It is a sorry state of affairs. I am not sure whether Pak mind-set or Pak's biased media has to be blamed for this. If confessions were the only means to solve crimes, almost all terror-related crimes and terror suspects would well have been sentenced.
There have been technical evidence like GPS data, telephone and VoIP intercepts which have helped the investigators and the Court to arrive at the conclusion that Pak hand was directly behind the attack in Mumbai. Access to Kasab would probably have been denied considering the fact that Pakistani authorities denied that Kasab was a Pak citizen in the first place. It was your own Geo TV which uncovered Kasab's Pak connections. Secondly, have Pak authorities given access to India for interrogating Lakhvi, Zarar Shah and others? NO
@ Karkare's killing
Do you know Mushrif's background and antecedents Mr Sakib? Mushrif was charged with corruption and was to be arrested. Political bigwigs intervened to bail him out. He was given a honourable exit by making him resign. This frustrated individual had an axe to grind. And 26/11 presented him with the opportunity. Had he been arrested he would probably have been the highest ranking officer at that time to be charged with corruption. Merely because one loony decides to raise some doubts, is it evidence that Hindu terrorists (as some media reports in your home country has put it) could have located Karkare in the melee and killed him? This is his credibility. Because India happens to be a true democracy, jokers like Mushrif can get away with such rubbish.
Yes there has been corruption in the purchase of arms, bullet-proof vests, etc and Karkare's widow is right in making the allegations. But that does not in any way reduce Pak's role (read ISI) and culpability in this whole episode.
I may not claim to know everything about 26/11. But I certainly know the facts as it unfolded.
July 18, 2010 4:02 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
It seems you do not know that the Pakistan government had been putting pressure on the courts to convict Hafiz Saeed and others. In the past it would have worked and India would have got what it desired. Not any more – the Judiciary now is independent of the Executive. The evidence presented to Pakistani courts was rejected as not meeting the normal standards of acceptability.
I cannot comment on the evidence that was presented to the Indian court. All I can say is if the same evidence had been handed over to Pakistan then it was not considered credible by our courts.
It is true that the knee-jerk reaction of Pakistan’s government was to deny that Ajmal Kassab was a Pakistani. However, once inquiries had been made the government quickly changed its stance. You are not being honest when you suggest that the reason India has not given Pakistan access to Kassab is because Pakistan denies that Kassab is a Pakistani citizen. It is widely believed that the real reason is to do with the way a confession was extracted from Kassab, which incriminated other individuals and bodies. The Pakistani authorities need to interview Kassab before they can prepare a case to indict any of those individuals or bodies.
Do you see now why Hafiz Saeed, Lakhvi, etc must go free? India has to stop its empty propaganda and present solid evidence and witnesses. Without providing that evidence it is silly of Indians to expect to be given permission to interrogate free citizens of another state. No self-respecting court would allow that. As far as credible witnesses are concerned, India has only one, who is being held away from contact with independent investigators!
The Mumbai tragedy looks more and more like a John Le Carre novel. I do not know what the underlying truth is. I suspect India knows but it is not so much interested in the truth as blackening the name of Pakistan.
I am surprised by your comments on S M Mushrif – what sources have you based your accusations on? Mushrif is considered to have had a distinguished career. He and Karkare appear to have played important roles in exposing the Hindu terrorism. Karkare paid for this impertinence with his life. You can read about Mushrif here: http://whokilledkarkare.com/content/sm-mushrif-0
I note that you have conveniently glossed over the Samjhota Express atrocity. Why?
I gave you three links in my previous comments, the first of which deals at considerable length with Hindu terrorism and its “false flag” operations to place the blame on Muslims. Please rise above your prejudices and see the world as it really is. Yes, there is what you might describe as “Muslim terrorism”; equally, there is “Hindu terrorism”, which is just as hideous. Do you have the moral strength to acknowledge it?
July 19, 2010 10:47 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Firstly, I will deal extensively with the terrorist attack on Samjohta Express (which you refer to as atrocity) later. Strangely the Mumbai attacks (and conspiracy) seems to you and many Pakistanis as a John Le Carre novel. Though you are not in the know of many things, yet the insinuation is Pakistan has been wrongly targetted.
@SM Mushrif: It is not necessary or important as to what or who my sources are for levelling this accusation against Mushrif. When I make a statement, it is with some authority and not on the basis of information available on the internet and in public domain. I have had brief interactions with late Karkare and Kamte, both of whom were fine officers. This very stupid and figment of imagination theory that Karkare was killed by so-called Hindu terrorists can come from only idiots like Mushrif and Antulay (another insignificant corrupt politician)
You have given reasons for setting free the likes of Hafeez Saeed, while reiterating that access of Kasab has been denied. Conveniently, you have, like the Pak establishment chosen not to answer why India has not been given access to Pak terror suspects involved in Mumbai 26/11. Pak has been in a state of denial and will continue to do so under the present politico-military dispensation.
Please remember that the conspiracy for Mumbai was hatched in Pakistan, (notwithstanding Pak denial-Pak simply refuses to see reason) and executed in Mumbai. The evidence relating to the conspiracy will have to be collected in Pak either by Pak investigators or Indian investigators (both of which is impossible given Pakistan's intransigence. Pak also does not consider as evidence telecom intercepts and GPS data. WHAT DOES PAK WANT WHICH CAN BE CALLED AND RECOGNISED AS EVIDENCE? OR IT CONSIDERS ITS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST INDIA AND DENIALS AS EVIDENCE?
At the cost of repetition, courts in a democratic country do not convict a suspect merely on confessions. Pak used to be part of the Commonwealth with similar set of laws. Maybe today, whatever the military dictates may be the law. Apart from confessions, the prosecution must have corroborative evidence before the Court convicts an accused.
Having said that the world believes that the court process in Pakistan has been a sham. And the State's case was diluted on purpose to let LeT's amir off the hook. And none of us would be surprised if the others are also set free.
July 20, 2010 10:10 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Samjauhta Express bombing of 2007
At the outset, I don't think any sane person can compare the Samjauhta bombing with Mumbai 26/11. The latter was not only colossal in magnitude but was a game-changer which forever altered the course of Indo-Pak relations. Let me assure you that as a Jew living in India, I and other Indians will neither forgive nor forget what has been perpetrated by terrorists from Pakistan. And it is increasingly evident that Pak military establishment in general and the ISI in particular played the most important role in its planning, training of the fedayeens and execution. We don't give a damn if Pak denies its role. The world certainly believes the culpability of the Pak state.
Links given below deal with the subject matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Samjhauta_Express_bombings
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105986/India/sit-wants-to-wash-hands-off-samjhauta.html
Considering Pakistan's policy of protecting terrorist groups of various hues, why should India make any sincere efforts to nail the culprits involved in this terror act, especially if the trail leads to Hindus as has been alleged? And yet the government of the day has been working to put the criminals behind bars. In fact it is public knowledge that they are charged with terrorist crimes (unlike how Pak kept Hafeez (Let) as a guest under house arrest) and will be prosecuted.
As Pakistanis are prone to argue about root cause for Kashmir and all other issues, let me tell you that Samjauhta was probably the back lash for terror being exported by Pak to India. It is for this reason why Pak is being urged to reign in terrorists. But somehow good sense seems to elude Pakistan.
Lastly, Pak has been involved in terrorism in various parts of India including Kashmir for the last two decades. Why is it that all Pakistanis only raise questions about Samjauhta? The December 13 Parliament Attack was the handiwork of another saint from Pak called Masood Azhar (JeM), burning down of Charar-e-Sharief by Mast Gul, the attack on Akshardham Temple in Gujarat. The list is endless. Were these not atrocities? Or probably the ones who died in these incidents were not Pakistanis, so it does not really matter. Just another terror statistic!
If you an others like you have even some courage, moral or otherwise, voice your opinion before the two states reach a point of no return.
July 20, 2010 10:39 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
My Jewish brother,
Please, please, I ask you again to lift yourself above the visceral hatred you feel for Pakistan and Pakistanis.
You claim to have some inside knowledge about Inspector General M S Munsif, which gives you the right to clamp on the charge of corruption on a man who has had, according to the information available in the public domain, a distinguished career. So you have a divine right to act as both judge and jury, and condemn people according to your whims?! Why should we believe you, a man who hides behind a mask?
Re. the killers of Karkare. It is the Indians themselves who have cast doubt on the story that the inspector and his colleagues were cut down by Kassab and his accomplice – but you consider those people “idiots” and their assessment as “stupid and figment of imagination”. Whatever you say!
Re. Hafiz Saeed. Lakhvi, Kassab, etc. I have patiently explained what the position is but you appear not to understand. Let me have another go.
At the moment Pakistan’s judiciary is under relentless attack from the government, and it faces stiff resistance from the army and the secret agencies. You can read about these issues here:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/02/case-of-missing-persons.html
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/12/day-of-vampires.html
The judiciary has been under pressure from the discredited Pakistani government to produce a decision in accordance with the Indian and USA demands. Our judges have insisted on seeing credible evidence which would convict Saeed, Lakhvi, etc. Now these people may well be guilty but the manipulated evidence – presumably, “telecom intercepts and GPS data”, as you put it - that India has provided has been rejected.
So, stop blaming the Pakistani government and the ISI, both of which are ranged against the Pakistani judiciary. Just find credible evidence which will stand up in a neutral court of law.
Another point you do not grasp is that you cannot just point at a citizen of a country and demand the right to interrogate him. Try doing that with a USA citizen. You will receive short shrift and you will be asked for a reasonable level of proof that the person you are accusing of a crime may not be entirely innocent.
The case of Kassab is entirely different from that of Saeed and Lakhvi. Pakistan has not accused Kassab of any crime but India has. According to India’s claim, Kassab has implicated other Pakistanis such as Saeed and Lakhvi. Therefore, it is entirely appropriate that Pakistan’s judiciary should want to see Kassab as a witness. If India refuses to comply then the obvious conclusion is that it has something to hide. Please understand that no respectable court in the world would convict Saeed, Lakhvi, etc on the basis of a piece of paper which is purported to represent a confession extracted from the accused. The court will want to see the WITNESS, not a piece of paper. (Under Islamic law as it exists in Pakistan, four male witnesses must testify in order to prove that a woman was raped. The concept of documentary evidence is probably alien to all Pakis). Added later by the author
Your grudging acceptance of the Samjhota Express massacre being the work of Hindu terrorists is welcome. That is better than the abominable positions adopted by the hypocritical governments of the USA and India. You have provided links to websites which are quite mild. Other websites, including those I suggested, would condemn the Hindu terrorism more bluntly.
Do not forget that Samjhota Express was not an isolated incident – the Gujrat massacres were much worse. Unlike Pakistan, where the Taliban are loudly condemned and pursued, the Hindu terrorism has influential friends in positions of power.
You mention Kashmir but gloss over the brutalities of the most inhuman kind committed by a huge army of 700,000. In the past there might have been some justification for the army presence in view of the assistance provided by Azad Kashmiris and Pakistanis from across the Line of Control, and the activities of outright terrorists. Now that the cross-border movements have completely dried up, why are Kashmiris being suppressed and oppressed by that obscene military presence?
July 20, 2010 5:37 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakistanis in particular and Muslims in general have an illusion that brutalities are perpetrated in Kashmir. This is typical propaganda stuff coming out of Pakistan and vested interests of Islamic countries. These very countries accuse Israel of massacre of Palestinians who are considered "very innocent". You probably follow only those media reports which suit you insofar as Kashmir is concerned. Please read reports of Pak violating cease-fire on virtually a daily basis and Indian forces engaging Islamic terrorists infiltrating from Pak on an equally regular basis. (http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/21/pakistan-violates-ceasefire-yet-again.htm)
In any case how many troops are stationed in Kashmir or in the North-East or on China border is India's internal affair and we do not wish to take any diktats from any quarter. Equally so, no Indian can question why a particular number of troops are deployed by Pakistan on its Western or Eastern borders.
What has been glossed over is it is Pak army which committed genocide on its own Bengali population in the '70s. So it is very easy to preach than practise. Even today, Pak military is out to wipe our Baluchi freedom fighters. (this is the counter to your accusation on Kashmir) Many leaders like Bugti were killed in cold blood. This slanging match will go on. The positions on Kashmir, terror are all hardened. Hence you see no progress can be made in improving Indo-Pak relations. It is a stalemate.
Comparing a bunch of hardcore Hindu fanatics (who can be counted on fingers) and Taliban is like comparing chalk and cheese. Taliban is the creation of Pakistan for its own interests in keeping jihad alive particularly to counter India and Indian interests in Afghanistan. Today experts talk about the "talibanisation" of Pak society which means from the man on the street to the high and mighty, there is unanimity in thinking that infidels have to be rooted out.
Why should India trust Pak and send Kasab to Pak as a witness or an accused? After all it is Pakistan which provided asylum to the hijackers as well as those released by India from its prison like JeM chief Masood Azhar during Indian Airlines aircraft hijack episode in 1999.
The reference to rejection of evidence only shows the seriousness of Pak intentions in addressing Indian concerns on terror. It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world. I doubt any evidence which will be taken cognisance of by courts of civilised nations will ever be accepted by the Pak courts. Nobody in India believes that Pak courts are independent when it comes to adjudicating terror-related offences, especially where India happens to be the victim. The public opinion in India is not to resume any dialogue with Pak as long as Pak continues to send terrorists into Kashmir.
July 21, 2010 8:03 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear me, we don't seem to be getting anywhere! Your knowledge is either extremely limited or the deep-seated hatred you have for Pakistan and Pakistanis makes it impossible for you to acknowledge the truth.
As one who lives in the West my sources of knowledge are mostly western.
Re. Kashmir. Please refer to the reports of Amnesty International.
I have never denied the murderous forays of terrorists which took place in the past from the Azad Kashmir area into Indian-held Kashmir. In fact, I used to speak up against the killings of innocent Hindu families. As you will have realised by now I am no supporter of the inhuman acts of Pakistan's army and the ISI. It is you who can't remove the blinkers from your eyes to enable you to see the atrocities of India's army and RAW.
Kashmir is disputed territory, the whole world acknowledges it and it is referred to as such in the countless UN resolutions. Since when did it become India's "internal matter"?
Re. Israel/Palestinians. What Hitler did to the Jews, Israeli leadership is doing to the Palestinians. You might like to refer to Noam Chomsky and Robert Fisk.
What the Pakistan army did in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) has been comprehensively debated in Pakistan and it is still talked about. Pakistanis have felt ashamed and offered unconditional apologies to our Bangladeshi brothers and sisters. Again, you have made a statement which reveals your ignorance, I am afraid.
To a very large extent the general unrest, killings and acts of terrorism in Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwa and parts of Punjab are the work of RAW and CIA. Just ask yourself why India needs to have a heavy presence in Afghanistan, and think through the implications. I have covered this aspect fairly comprehensively in this blog post.
It is disingenuous of you to talk about 'a bunch of Hindu fanatics'. You can count them in millions and they have protection in high places. Know anything about the background of people like Bal Thakeray?
As my article explains, the TTP was the creation of CIA and the Americans protected Baitullah Mehsood for a long time. He was eliminated when the ISI exposed the web of intrigue involving TTP, CIA and RAW.
Your last two paragraphs show that my repeated attempts to explain to you the current political and judicial circumstances in Pakistan have had no effect whatsoever. If you would rather wallow in your ignorance, so be it. If the Indian public opinion is as you describe, then that is simply a reflection of the false propaganda against Pakistan and the poor quality of information available in India.
Your last paragraph is based on an outright lie: "It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world". It is the policy neither of the current government nor of Pakistan's army under General Kayani. It seems an impossible task to have a sensible discussion with a man as prejudiced as you are.
July 21, 2010 10:17 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What you allege wildly as my ignorance is typical Pakistani mind-set and the Illusion (which incidentally happens to be part of the title of your blog) under which millions of Muslims live in. The reality as the world sees it is not acknowledged by Muslims the world over. Your accusation of prejudice again reveals the denial mode in which Pakistan is. Jihadi terrorism is an instrument of Pakistan's state policy. It will continue to be so as long as your society remains talibanised and the military is not sent to the barracks and does not confine itself to the role of being sentinels of the nation.
July 23, 2010 7:18 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Murderous forays of terrorists Comment: Thanx a lot. But this is not a thing of the past. It has been going on since 1989. There is no use merely admitting to this factKashmir is disputed territory Comment: The Indian stand has always been that Kashmir has been an integral part of India and will continue to do so. If Pakis are under any illusion that borders of Kashmir are going to be re-drawn, they can forget about it. Kashmir has elected representatives, there is a rule of law in place and democratic institutions have taken roots. (Pak may say that elections are rigged and that only separatists are the voice of the people-a story nobody in the world is going to buy) Your Pak Army has done enough violations on regular basis across LOC, they have done it on a large scale unsuccessfully in the form of Kargil and the international community recognised India's right of self defence. (So this internal matter and disputed theory can well be debated in Pak and other OIC countries).
July 23, 2010 7:22 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Why India needs to have a heavy presence in Afghanistan, and think through the implications. Comment: Who gives this impression about large Indian presence in Afghanistan? Obviously the ISI. In any case, if Afghanistan is an independent and sovereign country, who the hell is Pak to raise objections? the answer is simple - Pak wants its own proxy, the Taliban which was ousted by US-led forces to seize control of the country. Why don’t you accuse RAW of fomenting unrest throughout Pakistan? Pakistan started the fire of terrorism to be-stabilize India. Now the same fire is threatening to engulf Pak itself. That is the reason why experts state that Pak is facing an existential threat. If, after being in West, you have not appreciated this aspect, then it is your knowledge that is limited or you have chosen of your own volition to be ignorant.
It is disingenuous of you to talk about 'a bunch of Hindu fanatics'. Know anything about the background of people like Bal Thakeray? Comment: If millions of Hindus and the entire Jewish nation are fanatical, then less said the better about the followers of Islam. Please remember in the 60s and 70s, Bal Thakarey had nothing against the Muslims. There are a number of Muslims who are members of his party. He is a reactionary force in Indian politics. So much for your knowledge.
As my article explains, the TTP was the creation of CIA and the Americans protected Baitullah Mehsood for a long time. He was eliminated when the ISI exposed the web of intrigue involving TTP, CIA and RAW. Comment: Do please write something like Imp. Note: “History according to Pakistan”. If RAW was so effective, the terrorists who perpetrated Kandahar, 26/11 and the myriad terror attacks would have been dead. Of course, the Pak version is that entire 26/11 was orchestrated to kill Karkare. Those who subscribe to this view certainly need psychiatric assistance.
July 23, 2010 7:23 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
If the Indian public opinion is as you describe, then that is simply a reflection of the false propaganda against Pakistan and the poor quality of information available in India. Firstly, India is not under military dictatorship nor is it being ruled by the military through proxies or puppets as it happens in Pakistan. Our media is not under any restraint or censorship. You may be under this illusion that Indians, Americans and the Westerners may be ignorant fools and don’t quite see the Pak version of history which is nothing but ISI propaganda. Your military is fully talibanised and carries out selective operations against groups which act against Pak interests. Why does not Pak take action against Dawood Ibrahim (his presence is even denied in Pakistan), Masood Azhar (JeM), the man who was released as part of swap in Kandahar? Why does Pak refer to Haqqani network who with active ISI support carried out the bombings of the Indian Embassy at Kabul in 2008? You have no answers and accuse me of being ignorant and prejudiced? This is nothing but bull shit.
Your last paragraph is based on an outright lie: "It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world". It is the policy neither of the current government nor of Pakistan's army under General Kayani. It seems an impossible task to have a sensible discussion with a man as prejudiced as you are. Comment: Plain Paki denial.
Tailpiece: Gen Kayani gets extension. Should have read, that he extended his tenure. Isn't it?
July 23, 2010 7:24 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Sakib Ahmad bhai,
Please don't give us the Zaid Hamid talk. The whole world knows that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani from Faridkot, representing LeT.
Why do we(Pak Fauj and defence establishment) need a strategic depth in Afghanistan????
July 24, 2010 1:16 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
You are right, this particular gentleman is only interested in political point scoring and poking fun at Pakistan. He calls us Pakistanis “Pakis”, which is used as an abusive term in the West. Such hate-filled individuals exist everywhere – India does not have a monopoly of them.
While we Pakistanis criticise prominent individuals occupying influential positions, as well as our institutions and their policies – government, army, secret agencies, etc - such openness seems to be alien to Indians. The Indians may criticise certain individuals but it is rare for them to own up to any wickedness in their official policies.
Since 9/11, history as we have always understood it, is dead. The USA’s new game is to hide reality under a cloak of illusion through a series of “false flag” operations, that is, carrying out atrocities and blaming them on people who have nothing to do with them. In this evil endeavour the USA appears to have found willing partners in the shape of India and Israel.
I may respond to this Indian’s diatribe in a separate post.
July 25, 2010 1:41 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
@MoinSaddiq
I am afraid your attempt to put on a 'Muslim' mask has sadly failed. No Muslim would ever have a name like "Saddiq". Sorry, mate, better luck next time!
I assume you are a Hindu this time - the Jews appear to be cleverer.
You should know that we are NOT discussing the identity of Kassab but his presence as a WITNESS in the Pakistani court that has been trying Saeed, Lakhvi, etc. If India really believes that those it has accused were behind the Mumbai massacre, then it MUST produce Kassab as a witness because he is the one who has allegedly implicated Saeed, Lakhvi, etc.
July 25, 2010 1:56 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The blogger needs to preach to fellow Pakis about openness and wickedness of the Pak military establishment. India is neither theocratic nor ruled by a military dictator by proxy. Its democratic institutions are sound and there is an informed public opinion. The impression which is sought to be given through these blogs is that Pak is filled with saints and Satan India is haunting them. (it is the other way round, in fact). Frankly, there needs to be some limit to even insanity and distortion. Whoever, Moin Sadiq is, he is right and needs to be commended for his frank views. And as expected, the blogger has questioned his Islamic credentials, being bothered more about the faith rather than the openness of his comments.
Please have alook at the recent reports of Pak involvedment in the bombing of the Indian embassy at Kabul. http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/26/leak-blows-lid-off-isi-role-in-kabul-embassy-attack.htm This is the reality and your projection of Pak is the illusion, Mr. Blogger. And talking about hatred. If 10 Indians would have walked into Karachi and spread mayhem like your breathren did in Mumbai on 26/11, just would like to know what reaction could India have expected from Pak?
Want to read some more on Paki saints, the Pak Taliban?http://news.rediff.com/special/2010/jul/26/three-thousand-terrorists-for-india-battle-pak-taliban.htm
Of course, all these reports would be dubbed by this blogger as Indian propaganda to defame poor Pak. Ain't it, Mr. Blogger?
July 26, 2010 7:39 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Check out ISI's nefarious activities on this blog
http://isi-intersevicesintelligence.blogspot.com/
July 27, 2010 3:39 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Saddiq is a Muslim name, an AJK Pakistani Muslim name.
The moment someone mocks Zaid Hamid, he becomes an Indian
http://www.facebook.com/Saddiqraffali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Saddiq_Al-Raddi
http://saddiq109.blogspot.com/
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=mohammed_odeh_1
Answer this...Mr. Sakib Ahmed.
Mirpur, AJK
July 27, 2010 3:49 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
There are two widely used Muslim names, 'Sadiq' or 'Siddique'. I hadn't come across the spelling that you use for your name. Sorry.
I know very little about Mr Zaid Hamid. From what little I know, he seems to me to be a pretty crazy sort of person. As I say, I do not know enough about him to say anything more and I do not think he is important enough for me to spend time googling over him.
As far as ISI is concerned I think it needs to be cleaned up. At the moment it is a hideous image of CIA/Mossad/RAW and I do feel ashamed of some of its activities. You will find a critical blog post here:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/02/case-of-missing-persons.html
If you are really from Azad Kashmir then do you not realise that you are doing your cause a great disservice by concentrating your criticism on ISI while letting the devilish CIA/Mossad/RAW escape your wrath? If you are ignorant of the history of these bodies, I suggest you spend a little of your valuable time researching their histories.
July 27, 2010 11:03 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Moin, just ignore that retort. No Paki likes condemnation of ISI. And the history that the blogger is referring to, is history according to Pakistan and its instrumentality, the ISI.
The blogger after all is human having not come across the name Sadiqq. After all he is ignorant about somethings.
The blogger can spend the rest of his life reading the expose on Pak by Wikileaks. The ISI's game is now known to the whole world. The blogger who believes anything that is available in public domain, will hopefuly be convinced about ISI's complicity in terrorism.
July 28, 2010 7:28 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
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July 29, 2010 8:28 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Despite repeated warnings our visitor from across the border does not desist from using abusive words. My Jewish friend, you are welcome to present your point of view but do so in a civil manner: argue your case and provide supporting evidence but, please, NO ABUSE.
I have deleted your last post as a warning. I want this space to remain free for people to express their views. DO NOT FORCE ME TO INTRODUCE A POLICY OF MODERATING COMMENTS.
July 31, 2010 10:40 PM
"I tried to preach and sermonise in my earlier comment. I realised my folly because you are one of those sick and evil minded guys who believe that 9/11, 26/11 were staged managed. People like you are not even fit to be kept in lunatic asylums, but in Gitmo like camps. No - deserve to be shot.
July 17, 2010 10:11 AM "
Sakib Ahmad said...
There is a gentleman who wears the mask of "Pakistan's Nemesis" - he is consumed with burning hatred for all Pakistanis. The kind of comments he likes to spew out can be seen from the example above.
Everyone, irrespective of what opinions he/she holds, is welcome to comment at my blog provided the comments are based on facts and are well argued. Ignorance breeds blind prejudice which destroys all that is beautiful in human nature.
Al-Qur'an teaches us that all humanity is ONE community and we should all live in harmony and show tolerance towards each other. This blog only criticises governments and powerful vested interests or named individuals. The Pakistan government, its military and its secret agencies are just as heavily criticised as the machinations of the USA and Indian governments.
We must seek justice for the whole of mankind - the sentiment "my country right or wrong" is an evil slogan, which makes us follow the plots of deceitful politicians under the mistaken impression that we are being "patriotic".
To the masked "Pakistan's Nemesis": brother, 9/11 was staged but NOT 26/11 - remember the UK is very dissimilar to the USA. Please do try to learn the truth about 9/11 - there is abundant information on the internet and in book form. Just ask yourself one simple question: why did the Bush administration quickly destroy the evidence after the tragedy?
July 17, 2010 10:43 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakistanis will get back what they themselves preach. If Pak preaches hatered of the West and India, then people will like me will do the same. Pak school syllabus contains so much of hatred directed against India and other so-called infidels that it is impossible for any Paki to have any love or respect for an Indian or a Westerner.
As far as the Quranic teaching is concerned, please ask your Taliban/ Wahabbi/Salafi/Ahle Hadith friends for the intepretation. Today your religion is the most distorted, thanks to an Islamised Pak society subscribing to one or the other extreme forms of Islam mentioned above. Can you get your fellow countrymen to shun this distortion and get back to the path of righteousness? The answer is NO.
July 17, 2010 11:11 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
There is an element of truth in what you say. I am one of those who think we need a nation-wide struggle against our priest class. You might like to read the following blog posts on the subject of Islam:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/10/islam.html
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/06/islam-reality-beyond-time-and-space.html
By the way, in the comments above, "26/11" should have read "7/7" (I assume you are referring to the UK terrorist attack on 7 July 2005).
July 17, 2010 11:48 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
No. I was referring to 26/11 Mumbai which was perpetrated by LeT in which several Jews and nationals from Western countries were killed. Pak media extensively reported this to be a conspiracy hatched by Zionists and Indian intelligence. The uncovering of the plot that followed later is only too well known.
I am not against clerics or the priestly class as a whole. There are religious scholars (whose voices are rarely heard) who preach tolerance, peace, etc. Maulana Wahiduddin Khan is one such example. I am against only those who distort religion and use it to preach hatred and violence.
July 17, 2010 11:57 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Thanks for your comments on the Mumbai atrocity. You say, “The uncovering of the plot that followed later is only too well known”. Can you elaborate on that?
I understand that the evidence relating to the crime that the Indian government has presented to the Pakistani government consists of “dossiers” based on Ajmal Kassab’s confession under interrogation by the Indian police. Access to Ajmal Kassab has been denied to the Pakistani authorities. The Pakistani courts have declared the evidence inadmissible because of the possibility of having extracted the confession under torture. Can you tell me the nature of the evidence that the Indian police had presented in the Indian court that tried and sentenced Ajmal Kassab?
I would also like to know your take on the death of Inspector Hemant Karkare, the Anti-Terrorism Squad chief, who was killed on 26 November 2008. His widow, Kavita, has made some pretty serious allegations. Also, a former inspector general of police in Maharashtra, S M Mushrif, has written a book “Who killed Karkare? – The real face of terrorism in India”, which deals with the “conspiracy behind the murder of Hemant Karkare”. I have not read the book but I would like to know what you think of Mushrif’s revelations
I have just googled briefly and found the following links:
http://www.hardnewsmedia.com/2010/06/3562
http://www.mumbaimirror.com/article/15/20091112200911120348328123eac926b/Karkare’s-bulletvest-disappears.html?pageno=4
http://spookterror.blogspot.com/2009/01/who-killed-hemant-karkare.html
This article makes reference to the massacre in Samjhota Express. Do you have any comments on this act of terrorism?
July 17, 2010 6:42 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
It is a sorry state of affairs. I am not sure whether Pak mind-set or Pak's biased media has to be blamed for this. If confessions were the only means to solve crimes, almost all terror-related crimes and terror suspects would well have been sentenced.
There have been technical evidence like GPS data, telephone and VoIP intercepts which have helped the investigators and the Court to arrive at the conclusion that Pak hand was directly behind the attack in Mumbai. Access to Kasab would probably have been denied considering the fact that Pakistani authorities denied that Kasab was a Pak citizen in the first place. It was your own Geo TV which uncovered Kasab's Pak connections. Secondly, have Pak authorities given access to India for interrogating Lakhvi, Zarar Shah and others? NO
@ Karkare's killing
Do you know Mushrif's background and antecedents Mr Sakib? Mushrif was charged with corruption and was to be arrested. Political bigwigs intervened to bail him out. He was given a honourable exit by making him resign. This frustrated individual had an axe to grind. And 26/11 presented him with the opportunity. Had he been arrested he would probably have been the highest ranking officer at that time to be charged with corruption. Merely because one loony decides to raise some doubts, is it evidence that Hindu terrorists (as some media reports in your home country has put it) could have located Karkare in the melee and killed him? This is his credibility. Because India happens to be a true democracy, jokers like Mushrif can get away with such rubbish.
Yes there has been corruption in the purchase of arms, bullet-proof vests, etc and Karkare's widow is right in making the allegations. But that does not in any way reduce Pak's role (read ISI) and culpability in this whole episode.
I may not claim to know everything about 26/11. But I certainly know the facts as it unfolded.
July 18, 2010 4:02 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
It seems you do not know that the Pakistan government had been putting pressure on the courts to convict Hafiz Saeed and others. In the past it would have worked and India would have got what it desired. Not any more – the Judiciary now is independent of the Executive. The evidence presented to Pakistani courts was rejected as not meeting the normal standards of acceptability.
I cannot comment on the evidence that was presented to the Indian court. All I can say is if the same evidence had been handed over to Pakistan then it was not considered credible by our courts.
It is true that the knee-jerk reaction of Pakistan’s government was to deny that Ajmal Kassab was a Pakistani. However, once inquiries had been made the government quickly changed its stance. You are not being honest when you suggest that the reason India has not given Pakistan access to Kassab is because Pakistan denies that Kassab is a Pakistani citizen. It is widely believed that the real reason is to do with the way a confession was extracted from Kassab, which incriminated other individuals and bodies. The Pakistani authorities need to interview Kassab before they can prepare a case to indict any of those individuals or bodies.
Do you see now why Hafiz Saeed, Lakhvi, etc must go free? India has to stop its empty propaganda and present solid evidence and witnesses. Without providing that evidence it is silly of Indians to expect to be given permission to interrogate free citizens of another state. No self-respecting court would allow that. As far as credible witnesses are concerned, India has only one, who is being held away from contact with independent investigators!
The Mumbai tragedy looks more and more like a John Le Carre novel. I do not know what the underlying truth is. I suspect India knows but it is not so much interested in the truth as blackening the name of Pakistan.
I am surprised by your comments on S M Mushrif – what sources have you based your accusations on? Mushrif is considered to have had a distinguished career. He and Karkare appear to have played important roles in exposing the Hindu terrorism. Karkare paid for this impertinence with his life. You can read about Mushrif here: http://whokilledkarkare.com/content/sm-mushrif-0
I note that you have conveniently glossed over the Samjhota Express atrocity. Why?
I gave you three links in my previous comments, the first of which deals at considerable length with Hindu terrorism and its “false flag” operations to place the blame on Muslims. Please rise above your prejudices and see the world as it really is. Yes, there is what you might describe as “Muslim terrorism”; equally, there is “Hindu terrorism”, which is just as hideous. Do you have the moral strength to acknowledge it?
July 19, 2010 10:47 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Firstly, I will deal extensively with the terrorist attack on Samjohta Express (which you refer to as atrocity) later. Strangely the Mumbai attacks (and conspiracy) seems to you and many Pakistanis as a John Le Carre novel. Though you are not in the know of many things, yet the insinuation is Pakistan has been wrongly targetted.
@SM Mushrif: It is not necessary or important as to what or who my sources are for levelling this accusation against Mushrif. When I make a statement, it is with some authority and not on the basis of information available on the internet and in public domain. I have had brief interactions with late Karkare and Kamte, both of whom were fine officers. This very stupid and figment of imagination theory that Karkare was killed by so-called Hindu terrorists can come from only idiots like Mushrif and Antulay (another insignificant corrupt politician)
You have given reasons for setting free the likes of Hafeez Saeed, while reiterating that access of Kasab has been denied. Conveniently, you have, like the Pak establishment chosen not to answer why India has not been given access to Pak terror suspects involved in Mumbai 26/11. Pak has been in a state of denial and will continue to do so under the present politico-military dispensation.
Please remember that the conspiracy for Mumbai was hatched in Pakistan, (notwithstanding Pak denial-Pak simply refuses to see reason) and executed in Mumbai. The evidence relating to the conspiracy will have to be collected in Pak either by Pak investigators or Indian investigators (both of which is impossible given Pakistan's intransigence. Pak also does not consider as evidence telecom intercepts and GPS data. WHAT DOES PAK WANT WHICH CAN BE CALLED AND RECOGNISED AS EVIDENCE? OR IT CONSIDERS ITS ALLEGATIONS AGAINST INDIA AND DENIALS AS EVIDENCE?
At the cost of repetition, courts in a democratic country do not convict a suspect merely on confessions. Pak used to be part of the Commonwealth with similar set of laws. Maybe today, whatever the military dictates may be the law. Apart from confessions, the prosecution must have corroborative evidence before the Court convicts an accused.
Having said that the world believes that the court process in Pakistan has been a sham. And the State's case was diluted on purpose to let LeT's amir off the hook. And none of us would be surprised if the others are also set free.
July 20, 2010 10:10 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Samjauhta Express bombing of 2007
At the outset, I don't think any sane person can compare the Samjauhta bombing with Mumbai 26/11. The latter was not only colossal in magnitude but was a game-changer which forever altered the course of Indo-Pak relations. Let me assure you that as a Jew living in India, I and other Indians will neither forgive nor forget what has been perpetrated by terrorists from Pakistan. And it is increasingly evident that Pak military establishment in general and the ISI in particular played the most important role in its planning, training of the fedayeens and execution. We don't give a damn if Pak denies its role. The world certainly believes the culpability of the Pak state.
Links given below deal with the subject matter:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Samjhauta_Express_bombings
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/site/Story/105986/India/sit-wants-to-wash-hands-off-samjhauta.html
Considering Pakistan's policy of protecting terrorist groups of various hues, why should India make any sincere efforts to nail the culprits involved in this terror act, especially if the trail leads to Hindus as has been alleged? And yet the government of the day has been working to put the criminals behind bars. In fact it is public knowledge that they are charged with terrorist crimes (unlike how Pak kept Hafeez (Let) as a guest under house arrest) and will be prosecuted.
As Pakistanis are prone to argue about root cause for Kashmir and all other issues, let me tell you that Samjauhta was probably the back lash for terror being exported by Pak to India. It is for this reason why Pak is being urged to reign in terrorists. But somehow good sense seems to elude Pakistan.
Lastly, Pak has been involved in terrorism in various parts of India including Kashmir for the last two decades. Why is it that all Pakistanis only raise questions about Samjauhta? The December 13 Parliament Attack was the handiwork of another saint from Pak called Masood Azhar (JeM), burning down of Charar-e-Sharief by Mast Gul, the attack on Akshardham Temple in Gujarat. The list is endless. Were these not atrocities? Or probably the ones who died in these incidents were not Pakistanis, so it does not really matter. Just another terror statistic!
If you an others like you have even some courage, moral or otherwise, voice your opinion before the two states reach a point of no return.
July 20, 2010 10:39 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
My Jewish brother,
Please, please, I ask you again to lift yourself above the visceral hatred you feel for Pakistan and Pakistanis.
You claim to have some inside knowledge about Inspector General M S Munsif, which gives you the right to clamp on the charge of corruption on a man who has had, according to the information available in the public domain, a distinguished career. So you have a divine right to act as both judge and jury, and condemn people according to your whims?! Why should we believe you, a man who hides behind a mask?
Re. the killers of Karkare. It is the Indians themselves who have cast doubt on the story that the inspector and his colleagues were cut down by Kassab and his accomplice – but you consider those people “idiots” and their assessment as “stupid and figment of imagination”. Whatever you say!
Re. Hafiz Saeed. Lakhvi, Kassab, etc. I have patiently explained what the position is but you appear not to understand. Let me have another go.
At the moment Pakistan’s judiciary is under relentless attack from the government, and it faces stiff resistance from the army and the secret agencies. You can read about these issues here:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/02/case-of-missing-persons.html
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2009/12/day-of-vampires.html
The judiciary has been under pressure from the discredited Pakistani government to produce a decision in accordance with the Indian and USA demands. Our judges have insisted on seeing credible evidence which would convict Saeed, Lakhvi, etc. Now these people may well be guilty but the manipulated evidence – presumably, “telecom intercepts and GPS data”, as you put it - that India has provided has been rejected.
So, stop blaming the Pakistani government and the ISI, both of which are ranged against the Pakistani judiciary. Just find credible evidence which will stand up in a neutral court of law.
Another point you do not grasp is that you cannot just point at a citizen of a country and demand the right to interrogate him. Try doing that with a USA citizen. You will receive short shrift and you will be asked for a reasonable level of proof that the person you are accusing of a crime may not be entirely innocent.
The case of Kassab is entirely different from that of Saeed and Lakhvi. Pakistan has not accused Kassab of any crime but India has. According to India’s claim, Kassab has implicated other Pakistanis such as Saeed and Lakhvi. Therefore, it is entirely appropriate that Pakistan’s judiciary should want to see Kassab as a witness. If India refuses to comply then the obvious conclusion is that it has something to hide. Please understand that no respectable court in the world would convict Saeed, Lakhvi, etc on the basis of a piece of paper which is purported to represent a confession extracted from the accused. The court will want to see the WITNESS, not a piece of paper. (Under Islamic law as it exists in Pakistan, four male witnesses must testify in order to prove that a woman was raped. The concept of documentary evidence is probably alien to all Pakis). Added later by the author
Your grudging acceptance of the Samjhota Express massacre being the work of Hindu terrorists is welcome. That is better than the abominable positions adopted by the hypocritical governments of the USA and India. You have provided links to websites which are quite mild. Other websites, including those I suggested, would condemn the Hindu terrorism more bluntly.
Do not forget that Samjhota Express was not an isolated incident – the Gujrat massacres were much worse. Unlike Pakistan, where the Taliban are loudly condemned and pursued, the Hindu terrorism has influential friends in positions of power.
You mention Kashmir but gloss over the brutalities of the most inhuman kind committed by a huge army of 700,000. In the past there might have been some justification for the army presence in view of the assistance provided by Azad Kashmiris and Pakistanis from across the Line of Control, and the activities of outright terrorists. Now that the cross-border movements have completely dried up, why are Kashmiris being suppressed and oppressed by that obscene military presence?
July 20, 2010 5:37 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Pakistanis in particular and Muslims in general have an illusion that brutalities are perpetrated in Kashmir. This is typical propaganda stuff coming out of Pakistan and vested interests of Islamic countries. These very countries accuse Israel of massacre of Palestinians who are considered "very innocent". You probably follow only those media reports which suit you insofar as Kashmir is concerned. Please read reports of Pak violating cease-fire on virtually a daily basis and Indian forces engaging Islamic terrorists infiltrating from Pak on an equally regular basis. (http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/21/pakistan-violates-ceasefire-yet-again.htm)
In any case how many troops are stationed in Kashmir or in the North-East or on China border is India's internal affair and we do not wish to take any diktats from any quarter. Equally so, no Indian can question why a particular number of troops are deployed by Pakistan on its Western or Eastern borders.
What has been glossed over is it is Pak army which committed genocide on its own Bengali population in the '70s. So it is very easy to preach than practise. Even today, Pak military is out to wipe our Baluchi freedom fighters. (this is the counter to your accusation on Kashmir) Many leaders like Bugti were killed in cold blood. This slanging match will go on. The positions on Kashmir, terror are all hardened. Hence you see no progress can be made in improving Indo-Pak relations. It is a stalemate.
Comparing a bunch of hardcore Hindu fanatics (who can be counted on fingers) and Taliban is like comparing chalk and cheese. Taliban is the creation of Pakistan for its own interests in keeping jihad alive particularly to counter India and Indian interests in Afghanistan. Today experts talk about the "talibanisation" of Pak society which means from the man on the street to the high and mighty, there is unanimity in thinking that infidels have to be rooted out.
Why should India trust Pak and send Kasab to Pak as a witness or an accused? After all it is Pakistan which provided asylum to the hijackers as well as those released by India from its prison like JeM chief Masood Azhar during Indian Airlines aircraft hijack episode in 1999.
The reference to rejection of evidence only shows the seriousness of Pak intentions in addressing Indian concerns on terror. It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world. I doubt any evidence which will be taken cognisance of by courts of civilised nations will ever be accepted by the Pak courts. Nobody in India believes that Pak courts are independent when it comes to adjudicating terror-related offences, especially where India happens to be the victim. The public opinion in India is not to resume any dialogue with Pak as long as Pak continues to send terrorists into Kashmir.
July 21, 2010 8:03 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear me, we don't seem to be getting anywhere! Your knowledge is either extremely limited or the deep-seated hatred you have for Pakistan and Pakistanis makes it impossible for you to acknowledge the truth.
As one who lives in the West my sources of knowledge are mostly western.
Re. Kashmir. Please refer to the reports of Amnesty International.
I have never denied the murderous forays of terrorists which took place in the past from the Azad Kashmir area into Indian-held Kashmir. In fact, I used to speak up against the killings of innocent Hindu families. As you will have realised by now I am no supporter of the inhuman acts of Pakistan's army and the ISI. It is you who can't remove the blinkers from your eyes to enable you to see the atrocities of India's army and RAW.
Kashmir is disputed territory, the whole world acknowledges it and it is referred to as such in the countless UN resolutions. Since when did it become India's "internal matter"?
Re. Israel/Palestinians. What Hitler did to the Jews, Israeli leadership is doing to the Palestinians. You might like to refer to Noam Chomsky and Robert Fisk.
What the Pakistan army did in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) has been comprehensively debated in Pakistan and it is still talked about. Pakistanis have felt ashamed and offered unconditional apologies to our Bangladeshi brothers and sisters. Again, you have made a statement which reveals your ignorance, I am afraid.
To a very large extent the general unrest, killings and acts of terrorism in Balochistan, Pakhtunkhwa and parts of Punjab are the work of RAW and CIA. Just ask yourself why India needs to have a heavy presence in Afghanistan, and think through the implications. I have covered this aspect fairly comprehensively in this blog post.
It is disingenuous of you to talk about 'a bunch of Hindu fanatics'. You can count them in millions and they have protection in high places. Know anything about the background of people like Bal Thakeray?
As my article explains, the TTP was the creation of CIA and the Americans protected Baitullah Mehsood for a long time. He was eliminated when the ISI exposed the web of intrigue involving TTP, CIA and RAW.
Your last two paragraphs show that my repeated attempts to explain to you the current political and judicial circumstances in Pakistan have had no effect whatsoever. If you would rather wallow in your ignorance, so be it. If the Indian public opinion is as you describe, then that is simply a reflection of the false propaganda against Pakistan and the poor quality of information available in India.
Your last paragraph is based on an outright lie: "It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world". It is the policy neither of the current government nor of Pakistan's army under General Kayani. It seems an impossible task to have a sensible discussion with a man as prejudiced as you are.
July 21, 2010 10:17 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
What you allege wildly as my ignorance is typical Pakistani mind-set and the Illusion (which incidentally happens to be part of the title of your blog) under which millions of Muslims live in. The reality as the world sees it is not acknowledged by Muslims the world over. Your accusation of prejudice again reveals the denial mode in which Pakistan is. Jihadi terrorism is an instrument of Pakistan's state policy. It will continue to be so as long as your society remains talibanised and the military is not sent to the barracks and does not confine itself to the role of being sentinels of the nation.
July 23, 2010 7:18 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Murderous forays of terrorists Comment: Thanx a lot. But this is not a thing of the past. It has been going on since 1989. There is no use merely admitting to this factKashmir is disputed territory Comment: The Indian stand has always been that Kashmir has been an integral part of India and will continue to do so. If Pakis are under any illusion that borders of Kashmir are going to be re-drawn, they can forget about it. Kashmir has elected representatives, there is a rule of law in place and democratic institutions have taken roots. (Pak may say that elections are rigged and that only separatists are the voice of the people-a story nobody in the world is going to buy) Your Pak Army has done enough violations on regular basis across LOC, they have done it on a large scale unsuccessfully in the form of Kargil and the international community recognised India's right of self defence. (So this internal matter and disputed theory can well be debated in Pak and other OIC countries).
July 23, 2010 7:22 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Why India needs to have a heavy presence in Afghanistan, and think through the implications. Comment: Who gives this impression about large Indian presence in Afghanistan? Obviously the ISI. In any case, if Afghanistan is an independent and sovereign country, who the hell is Pak to raise objections? the answer is simple - Pak wants its own proxy, the Taliban which was ousted by US-led forces to seize control of the country. Why don’t you accuse RAW of fomenting unrest throughout Pakistan? Pakistan started the fire of terrorism to be-stabilize India. Now the same fire is threatening to engulf Pak itself. That is the reason why experts state that Pak is facing an existential threat. If, after being in West, you have not appreciated this aspect, then it is your knowledge that is limited or you have chosen of your own volition to be ignorant.
It is disingenuous of you to talk about 'a bunch of Hindu fanatics'. Know anything about the background of people like Bal Thakeray? Comment: If millions of Hindus and the entire Jewish nation are fanatical, then less said the better about the followers of Islam. Please remember in the 60s and 70s, Bal Thakarey had nothing against the Muslims. There are a number of Muslims who are members of his party. He is a reactionary force in Indian politics. So much for your knowledge.
As my article explains, the TTP was the creation of CIA and the Americans protected Baitullah Mehsood for a long time. He was eliminated when the ISI exposed the web of intrigue involving TTP, CIA and RAW. Comment: Do please write something like Imp. Note: “History according to Pakistan”. If RAW was so effective, the terrorists who perpetrated Kandahar, 26/11 and the myriad terror attacks would have been dead. Of course, the Pak version is that entire 26/11 was orchestrated to kill Karkare. Those who subscribe to this view certainly need psychiatric assistance.
July 23, 2010 7:23 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
If the Indian public opinion is as you describe, then that is simply a reflection of the false propaganda against Pakistan and the poor quality of information available in India. Firstly, India is not under military dictatorship nor is it being ruled by the military through proxies or puppets as it happens in Pakistan. Our media is not under any restraint or censorship. You may be under this illusion that Indians, Americans and the Westerners may be ignorant fools and don’t quite see the Pak version of history which is nothing but ISI propaganda. Your military is fully talibanised and carries out selective operations against groups which act against Pak interests. Why does not Pak take action against Dawood Ibrahim (his presence is even denied in Pakistan), Masood Azhar (JeM), the man who was released as part of swap in Kandahar? Why does Pak refer to Haqqani network who with active ISI support carried out the bombings of the Indian Embassy at Kabul in 2008? You have no answers and accuse me of being ignorant and prejudiced? This is nothing but bull shit.
Your last paragraph is based on an outright lie: "It is Pak policy to carry on exporting terror to India and the world". It is the policy neither of the current government nor of Pakistan's army under General Kayani. It seems an impossible task to have a sensible discussion with a man as prejudiced as you are. Comment: Plain Paki denial.
Tailpiece: Gen Kayani gets extension. Should have read, that he extended his tenure. Isn't it?
July 23, 2010 7:24 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Sakib Ahmad bhai,
Please don't give us the Zaid Hamid talk. The whole world knows that Ajmal Kasab is a Pakistani from Faridkot, representing LeT.
Why do we(Pak Fauj and defence establishment) need a strategic depth in Afghanistan????
July 24, 2010 1:16 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
You are right, this particular gentleman is only interested in political point scoring and poking fun at Pakistan. He calls us Pakistanis “Pakis”, which is used as an abusive term in the West. Such hate-filled individuals exist everywhere – India does not have a monopoly of them.
While we Pakistanis criticise prominent individuals occupying influential positions, as well as our institutions and their policies – government, army, secret agencies, etc - such openness seems to be alien to Indians. The Indians may criticise certain individuals but it is rare for them to own up to any wickedness in their official policies.
Since 9/11, history as we have always understood it, is dead. The USA’s new game is to hide reality under a cloak of illusion through a series of “false flag” operations, that is, carrying out atrocities and blaming them on people who have nothing to do with them. In this evil endeavour the USA appears to have found willing partners in the shape of India and Israel.
I may respond to this Indian’s diatribe in a separate post.
July 25, 2010 1:41 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
@MoinSaddiq
I am afraid your attempt to put on a 'Muslim' mask has sadly failed. No Muslim would ever have a name like "Saddiq". Sorry, mate, better luck next time!
I assume you are a Hindu this time - the Jews appear to be cleverer.
You should know that we are NOT discussing the identity of Kassab but his presence as a WITNESS in the Pakistani court that has been trying Saeed, Lakhvi, etc. If India really believes that those it has accused were behind the Mumbai massacre, then it MUST produce Kassab as a witness because he is the one who has allegedly implicated Saeed, Lakhvi, etc.
July 25, 2010 1:56 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The blogger needs to preach to fellow Pakis about openness and wickedness of the Pak military establishment. India is neither theocratic nor ruled by a military dictator by proxy. Its democratic institutions are sound and there is an informed public opinion. The impression which is sought to be given through these blogs is that Pak is filled with saints and Satan India is haunting them. (it is the other way round, in fact). Frankly, there needs to be some limit to even insanity and distortion. Whoever, Moin Sadiq is, he is right and needs to be commended for his frank views. And as expected, the blogger has questioned his Islamic credentials, being bothered more about the faith rather than the openness of his comments.
Please have alook at the recent reports of Pak involvedment in the bombing of the Indian embassy at Kabul. http://news.rediff.com/report/2010/jul/26/leak-blows-lid-off-isi-role-in-kabul-embassy-attack.htm This is the reality and your projection of Pak is the illusion, Mr. Blogger. And talking about hatred. If 10 Indians would have walked into Karachi and spread mayhem like your breathren did in Mumbai on 26/11, just would like to know what reaction could India have expected from Pak?
Want to read some more on Paki saints, the Pak Taliban?http://news.rediff.com/special/2010/jul/26/three-thousand-terrorists-for-india-battle-pak-taliban.htm
Of course, all these reports would be dubbed by this blogger as Indian propaganda to defame poor Pak. Ain't it, Mr. Blogger?
July 26, 2010 7:39 AM
MoinSaddiq said...
Check out ISI's nefarious activities on this blog
http://isi-intersevicesintelligence.blogspot.com/
July 27, 2010 3:39 PM
MoinSaddiq said...
Saddiq is a Muslim name, an AJK Pakistani Muslim name.
The moment someone mocks Zaid Hamid, he becomes an Indian
http://www.facebook.com/Saddiqraffali
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Saddiq_Al-Raddi
http://saddiq109.blogspot.com/
http://www.historycommons.org/entity.jsp?entity=mohammed_odeh_1
Answer this...Mr. Sakib Ahmed.
Mirpur, AJK
July 27, 2010 3:49 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Dear Moin,
There are two widely used Muslim names, 'Sadiq' or 'Siddique'. I hadn't come across the spelling that you use for your name. Sorry.
I know very little about Mr Zaid Hamid. From what little I know, he seems to me to be a pretty crazy sort of person. As I say, I do not know enough about him to say anything more and I do not think he is important enough for me to spend time googling over him.
As far as ISI is concerned I think it needs to be cleaned up. At the moment it is a hideous image of CIA/Mossad/RAW and I do feel ashamed of some of its activities. You will find a critical blog post here:
http://sakibahmad.blogspot.com/2010/02/case-of-missing-persons.html
If you are really from Azad Kashmir then do you not realise that you are doing your cause a great disservice by concentrating your criticism on ISI while letting the devilish CIA/Mossad/RAW escape your wrath? If you are ignorant of the history of these bodies, I suggest you spend a little of your valuable time researching their histories.
July 27, 2010 11:03 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
Moin, just ignore that retort. No Paki likes condemnation of ISI. And the history that the blogger is referring to, is history according to Pakistan and its instrumentality, the ISI.
The blogger after all is human having not come across the name Sadiqq. After all he is ignorant about somethings.
The blogger can spend the rest of his life reading the expose on Pak by Wikileaks. The ISI's game is now known to the whole world. The blogger who believes anything that is available in public domain, will hopefuly be convinced about ISI's complicity in terrorism.
July 28, 2010 7:28 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
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July 29, 2010 8:28 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Despite repeated warnings our visitor from across the border does not desist from using abusive words. My Jewish friend, you are welcome to present your point of view but do so in a civil manner: argue your case and provide supporting evidence but, please, NO ABUSE.
I have deleted your last post as a warning. I want this space to remain free for people to express their views. DO NOT FORCE ME TO INTRODUCE A POLICY OF MODERATING COMMENTS.
July 31, 2010 10:40 PM
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