By and large, Pakis are upset over the killing of their hero Osama bin Laden. Pakis both in Pakistan and others like Sakib Ahmed are crestfallen and refuse to believe that the Americans could with impunity enter Pakistan and kill their dear friend who was sheltered for the past several years. A few of the comments on Tsunami of Lies only reflect the Paki mindset. Of course there are sane people like Irfan who must be given credit for voicing opinions against the Paki establishment.
Noor said...
My head is spinning from the avalanche of lies-dressed-up-as-truth. 9/11 showed the world that if you shamelessly repeat a lie often enough it will be accepted as truth. The US publicity machine is using that trick to force the world to accept its version of what happened in Abbotabad in the early hours of 2 May.
In an article published yesterday, Mirza Aslam Beg, a former Commander-in-Chief of Pakistan Army, has categorically said that “ the 2/5 episode was a hoax and a big lie, the same as the 9/11 episode was a big lie”. He goes on to say:
“Osama’s look-alike prisoner from Bagram was picked up and brought to Abbottabad and killed in cold blood in front of his family members, who were living there. In fact, OBL had been killed in Afghanistan some time back and his body may still be lying in a mortuary in Afghanistan. ……... His body was dumped into the sea to hide the crime committed in such a clumsy manner. The 2/5 episode was the finale of the 9/11 lies and was meant to achieve three main objectives:
i With the mission accomplished, Obama was to gain political advantage in the forthcoming elections;
i To find an excuse for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
i To defame the Pakistan government, its armed forces and the ISI.
On all the three counts, the US President has gained and Pakistan now is reeling under pressure, blaming its own armed forces and the ISI for the failure to safeguard territorial sovereignty”
I have no idea why he says this and what his sources of information are. My point is Obama and his team are saying all sorts of things without providing any proof. Why should we believe people who have repeatedly been proved to be liars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Could General Beg be right? If only he would provide some convincing evidence!
May 16, 2011 9:04 PM
Irfan said...
@Noor
The truth of the matter is that Mirza Aslam Beg has no sources or proof of anything, it is just speculation on his part as provides not a scrap of proof.
What about his wives? They have confirmed Osama was killed by US Navy SEALS. And what about Al-Qaeda? They, too, have confirmed his death. Some have speculated Osama died from kidney failure years ago, but no one could confirm his death. Given that he is head of Al-Qaeda, wouldn't the organization make an announcement of some kind? And what about all the videos and audio tapes that aired on Al-Jazeera?
Mirza Aslam Beg first two points are utter nonsense. True, Obama would gain politically, but why now and not next wear when there would be a maximum political benefit? And the US is already withdrawing from Afghanistan even before the death of Osama. Withdrawals will begin in July. The US is leaving come hell or high water. And the third point, the army and ISI were already defamed, to the United States anyway, well before Osama was killed.
In essence, Mirza Aslam Beg is talking rubbish!
May 17, 2011 3:43 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@Irfan
Irfan's point for point rebuttal of Noor is brilliant and praiseworthy. This is a slap on the face of conspiracy theorists sitting in Pak and outside. To add to Irfan's points, why had the US to select Abbottabad of all the places? It could have chosen any other garrison town or even a bigger city. According to the Blogger, every nook and corner of Pak is penetrated by the US intelligence. There is no answer to this. The bottom line is Pak is wriggling to get out of this quagmire, it has found itself in. The lies are coming out of the GHQ, Rawalpindi and Islamabad. As the saying goes, Pak has been caught with its pants down.
May 17, 2011 9:39 AM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
Irfan must be feeling embarrassed at getting support from our nemesis! Did you say 'no', Irfan? Oh!
As the blogger keeps saying, so many Pakistanis have this strange inferiority complex. They get their education from the Americans and their minds become so conditioned that they end up thinking like the Americans and looking down on their own people. Actually, there is no difference between the claims made by Obama and Aslam Beg - in both cases there is a lot of hot air with no evidence.
Obama's wives? They have been interviewed only by the ISI and by the CIA (with ISI present). No one else has seen or heard them. Aslam Beg is saying an Obama lookalike was brought to the compound and killed in cold blood as the wives looked on. The wives have said they have lived in Abbottabad for the past 5-6 years. Did they ever say they lived WITH Osama? Why not let the press talk to the wives, why keep them shut away?
No idea what kind of deal the Pakistani government and ISI are cooking up with the Americans. They may be doing another 'Raymond Davis' right now. Who knows?
I have nothing but contempt for the statements coming from the so-called "al-Qaida". It is no longer a cohesive organisation, only a multitude of splinter groups. These murderous fools know nothing - they are merely tools in the hands of the CIA.
Just before the Abbottabad incident Obama's popularity was rock bottom and he was fast becoming a lame duck president. People laughed as he first produced a short birth certificate, and then a full certificate, to prove that he was American! His popularity has now rocketed sky high and his Republican rival Trump has pulled out. It is obvious, Irfan, that you know nothing about American politics.
Aslam Beg's second point is very important. Osama was the reason that the American government gave for invading Afghanistan. With him "killed" it is so much easier to negotiate with the Taliban and leave Afghanistan. In July there will only be a token withdrawal for political reasons. Petraeus has made it very clear that the Americans will stay for as long as necessary.
You seem to know next to nothing about politics as it is practised in the world today, especially in the USA. Educate yourself, Irfan, and learn to think like a self-respecting Pakistani, not as a yes-man to the Americans. God knows there are enough of those unfortunate specimens of humanity: Zardari, Gilani, Rehman Malik, Haqqani (the ambassador), etc etc.
May 17, 2011 4:10 PM
Irfan said...
@Lost-in-cyberspace said
Anyone who takes Trump, a television celebrity and publicity hound, seriously as a Republican candidate for President of the United States knows a lot about American politics. Thanks for the education, cyberspace, It’s obvious you know what you are talking about.
May 17, 2011 8:38 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Sorry to butt in, Irfan. I suppose Trump is no match for such intellectual heavyweights as Ronald Reagan, the "film star", and Dubya Bush! I recall that the US politics also gave us the Californian Governor, Arnold the Muscle man. American show business and American politics aren't a million miles apart, are they?
Seriously, your contribution is valued. It is good to have a diversity of views.
May 17, 2011 10:43 PM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
Just as Pakistan's political and military leaders conspired with the US over Raymond Davis, they have again shown their servility to the Americans over the lies about Osama. General Beg's view is supported by many people. Here is one by Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, who was a top government insider under several US administrations:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24622
Pieczenik says categorically that he has knowledge of Osama's death in 2001. And, of course, Osama had nothing to do with 9/11.
The web of lies about the Abbottabad operation is blown to pieces in http://www.veteranstoday.com/
This website seems to receive frequent attacks from CIA hackers. Look for the report of Pakistan's Samaa TV about the loss of a USA helicopter and the deaths of several Americans who were in the helicopter. The blogger was right when he said that men of Pakistan army - collaborating with the Americans? - had warned people to stay indoors.These collaborators then took the dead bodies away.
May 20, 2011 7:06 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Irfan
Steve R. Pieczenik was a psychiatrist (now a psychic case himself) who took pride in calling himself as a maverik trouble maker. Now his dear friend, lost (forever) in cyberspace refers to his views on Osama. So one psychic quotes another psychic quite authoritatively. In any case the loony here, does not like me endorsing your comments. Tell you what, the next question that will be asked is are you a true Pakistani or someone pretending to be a Pakistani. And this will go on and on. What this joker forgets is Al Qaeda and all its partners in crime have mourned the death of Osama, have sworn revenge and appointed a new leader. All these facts eem to have been lost on "Lost" So one can imagine how lost he is in this world.
May 20, 2011 8:04 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
The Biggest Lies of 21st century exposed here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/16/unconfirmed-american-deaths-helicopter-crash-bin-laden-capture-aborted/
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2011/0506-OBL.html
Veteranstoday.com looks an excellent website but navigating it is not easy. Perhaps there are CIA hackers doing their best to discourage people from learning the truth?
May 20, 2011 2:02 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The recent attack on the Pak naval facility was a revenge attack by the Taliban in response to the killing of bin Laden. Had only a clone of Laden been killed on 2nd May, one wonders whether any AQ-affiliated group would have retaliated in this fashion. There may be more attacks against Pak as promised by these groups.
May 23, 2011 12:50 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Are you a totally heartless, inhuman person - a troll planted by the CIA? The Pakistanis - and others such as China and Iran - have woken up to the evil game that the Americans are playing in the Middle East and Asia. The fight-back has begun. Just wait and see.
May 23, 2011 9:45 PM
What heartless and inhuman? The inhuman bevious of the Pakis is well known and documented - from the atrocities in B'desh to Kargil (the mutilation of the bodies of the Indian soldiers). You have no locus to talk about humaneness. You ******** are brainless. Instead of blaming US for all your troubles, just look within. Look at the Paki mind set - 51% of Pakis grieve on the death of the world's most wanted terrorist. Such a thing can happen only in a society devoid of morals and of course brains.
What fight back? Pak deserves to be bombed back to the Stone Age. Before that Rana and Headley are going to expose the terror outfit, the ISI in the US court. May be Pak's doomsday is approaching.
Since a moron like this Blogger will not publish my comments, readers can read all the comments on Pakistan's Nemesis website.
Noor said...
My head is spinning from the avalanche of lies-dressed-up-as-truth. 9/11 showed the world that if you shamelessly repeat a lie often enough it will be accepted as truth. The US publicity machine is using that trick to force the world to accept its version of what happened in Abbotabad in the early hours of 2 May.
In an article published yesterday, Mirza Aslam Beg, a former Commander-in-Chief of Pakistan Army, has categorically said that “ the 2/5 episode was a hoax and a big lie, the same as the 9/11 episode was a big lie”. He goes on to say:
“Osama’s look-alike prisoner from Bagram was picked up and brought to Abbottabad and killed in cold blood in front of his family members, who were living there. In fact, OBL had been killed in Afghanistan some time back and his body may still be lying in a mortuary in Afghanistan. ……... His body was dumped into the sea to hide the crime committed in such a clumsy manner. The 2/5 episode was the finale of the 9/11 lies and was meant to achieve three main objectives:
i With the mission accomplished, Obama was to gain political advantage in the forthcoming elections;
i To find an excuse for the withdrawal of troops from Afghanistan.
i To defame the Pakistan government, its armed forces and the ISI.
On all the three counts, the US President has gained and Pakistan now is reeling under pressure, blaming its own armed forces and the ISI for the failure to safeguard territorial sovereignty”
I have no idea why he says this and what his sources of information are. My point is Obama and his team are saying all sorts of things without providing any proof. Why should we believe people who have repeatedly been proved to be liars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Could General Beg be right? If only he would provide some convincing evidence!
May 16, 2011 9:04 PM
Irfan said...
@Noor
The truth of the matter is that Mirza Aslam Beg has no sources or proof of anything, it is just speculation on his part as provides not a scrap of proof.
What about his wives? They have confirmed Osama was killed by US Navy SEALS. And what about Al-Qaeda? They, too, have confirmed his death. Some have speculated Osama died from kidney failure years ago, but no one could confirm his death. Given that he is head of Al-Qaeda, wouldn't the organization make an announcement of some kind? And what about all the videos and audio tapes that aired on Al-Jazeera?
Mirza Aslam Beg first two points are utter nonsense. True, Obama would gain politically, but why now and not next wear when there would be a maximum political benefit? And the US is already withdrawing from Afghanistan even before the death of Osama. Withdrawals will begin in July. The US is leaving come hell or high water. And the third point, the army and ISI were already defamed, to the United States anyway, well before Osama was killed.
In essence, Mirza Aslam Beg is talking rubbish!
May 17, 2011 3:43 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@Irfan
Irfan's point for point rebuttal of Noor is brilliant and praiseworthy. This is a slap on the face of conspiracy theorists sitting in Pak and outside. To add to Irfan's points, why had the US to select Abbottabad of all the places? It could have chosen any other garrison town or even a bigger city. According to the Blogger, every nook and corner of Pak is penetrated by the US intelligence. There is no answer to this. The bottom line is Pak is wriggling to get out of this quagmire, it has found itself in. The lies are coming out of the GHQ, Rawalpindi and Islamabad. As the saying goes, Pak has been caught with its pants down.
May 17, 2011 9:39 AM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
Irfan must be feeling embarrassed at getting support from our nemesis! Did you say 'no', Irfan? Oh!
As the blogger keeps saying, so many Pakistanis have this strange inferiority complex. They get their education from the Americans and their minds become so conditioned that they end up thinking like the Americans and looking down on their own people. Actually, there is no difference between the claims made by Obama and Aslam Beg - in both cases there is a lot of hot air with no evidence.
Obama's wives? They have been interviewed only by the ISI and by the CIA (with ISI present). No one else has seen or heard them. Aslam Beg is saying an Obama lookalike was brought to the compound and killed in cold blood as the wives looked on. The wives have said they have lived in Abbottabad for the past 5-6 years. Did they ever say they lived WITH Osama? Why not let the press talk to the wives, why keep them shut away?
No idea what kind of deal the Pakistani government and ISI are cooking up with the Americans. They may be doing another 'Raymond Davis' right now. Who knows?
I have nothing but contempt for the statements coming from the so-called "al-Qaida". It is no longer a cohesive organisation, only a multitude of splinter groups. These murderous fools know nothing - they are merely tools in the hands of the CIA.
Just before the Abbottabad incident Obama's popularity was rock bottom and he was fast becoming a lame duck president. People laughed as he first produced a short birth certificate, and then a full certificate, to prove that he was American! His popularity has now rocketed sky high and his Republican rival Trump has pulled out. It is obvious, Irfan, that you know nothing about American politics.
Aslam Beg's second point is very important. Osama was the reason that the American government gave for invading Afghanistan. With him "killed" it is so much easier to negotiate with the Taliban and leave Afghanistan. In July there will only be a token withdrawal for political reasons. Petraeus has made it very clear that the Americans will stay for as long as necessary.
You seem to know next to nothing about politics as it is practised in the world today, especially in the USA. Educate yourself, Irfan, and learn to think like a self-respecting Pakistani, not as a yes-man to the Americans. God knows there are enough of those unfortunate specimens of humanity: Zardari, Gilani, Rehman Malik, Haqqani (the ambassador), etc etc.
May 17, 2011 4:10 PM
Irfan said...
@Lost-in-cyberspace said
Anyone who takes Trump, a television celebrity and publicity hound, seriously as a Republican candidate for President of the United States knows a lot about American politics. Thanks for the education, cyberspace, It’s obvious you know what you are talking about.
May 17, 2011 8:38 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Sorry to butt in, Irfan. I suppose Trump is no match for such intellectual heavyweights as Ronald Reagan, the "film star", and Dubya Bush! I recall that the US politics also gave us the Californian Governor, Arnold the Muscle man. American show business and American politics aren't a million miles apart, are they?
Seriously, your contribution is valued. It is good to have a diversity of views.
May 17, 2011 10:43 PM
Lost-in-cyberspace said...
Just as Pakistan's political and military leaders conspired with the US over Raymond Davis, they have again shown their servility to the Americans over the lies about Osama. General Beg's view is supported by many people. Here is one by Dr. Steve R. Pieczenik, who was a top government insider under several US administrations:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24622
Pieczenik says categorically that he has knowledge of Osama's death in 2001. And, of course, Osama had nothing to do with 9/11.
The web of lies about the Abbottabad operation is blown to pieces in http://www.veteranstoday.com/
This website seems to receive frequent attacks from CIA hackers. Look for the report of Pakistan's Samaa TV about the loss of a USA helicopter and the deaths of several Americans who were in the helicopter. The blogger was right when he said that men of Pakistan army - collaborating with the Americans? - had warned people to stay indoors.These collaborators then took the dead bodies away.
May 20, 2011 7:06 AM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
@ Irfan
Steve R. Pieczenik was a psychiatrist (now a psychic case himself) who took pride in calling himself as a maverik trouble maker. Now his dear friend, lost (forever) in cyberspace refers to his views on Osama. So one psychic quotes another psychic quite authoritatively. In any case the loony here, does not like me endorsing your comments. Tell you what, the next question that will be asked is are you a true Pakistani or someone pretending to be a Pakistani. And this will go on and on. What this joker forgets is Al Qaeda and all its partners in crime have mourned the death of Osama, have sworn revenge and appointed a new leader. All these facts eem to have been lost on "Lost" So one can imagine how lost he is in this world.
May 20, 2011 8:04 AM
Sakib Ahmad said...
The Biggest Lies of 21st century exposed here:
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/05/16/unconfirmed-american-deaths-helicopter-crash-bin-laden-capture-aborted/
http://www.twf.org/News/Y2011/0506-OBL.html
Veteranstoday.com looks an excellent website but navigating it is not easy. Perhaps there are CIA hackers doing their best to discourage people from learning the truth?
May 20, 2011 2:02 PM
Pakistan's Nemesis said...
The recent attack on the Pak naval facility was a revenge attack by the Taliban in response to the killing of bin Laden. Had only a clone of Laden been killed on 2nd May, one wonders whether any AQ-affiliated group would have retaliated in this fashion. There may be more attacks against Pak as promised by these groups.
May 23, 2011 12:50 PM
Sakib Ahmad said...
Are you a totally heartless, inhuman person - a troll planted by the CIA? The Pakistanis - and others such as China and Iran - have woken up to the evil game that the Americans are playing in the Middle East and Asia. The fight-back has begun. Just wait and see.
May 23, 2011 9:45 PM
What heartless and inhuman? The inhuman bevious of the Pakis is well known and documented - from the atrocities in B'desh to Kargil (the mutilation of the bodies of the Indian soldiers). You have no locus to talk about humaneness. You ******** are brainless. Instead of blaming US for all your troubles, just look within. Look at the Paki mind set - 51% of Pakis grieve on the death of the world's most wanted terrorist. Such a thing can happen only in a society devoid of morals and of course brains.
What fight back? Pak deserves to be bombed back to the Stone Age. Before that Rana and Headley are going to expose the terror outfit, the ISI in the US court. May be Pak's doomsday is approaching.
Since a moron like this Blogger will not publish my comments, readers can read all the comments on Pakistan's Nemesis website.
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